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G.Gilbert Elite user baltimore 495 Posts |
I've heard great things about this card control.. Mr. Denny Haney told me that it pretty much eliminates the need of learning how to do a pass.. I just recently went to Ashers lecture here at Denny & Lee's, and I was supposed to go to his "Pulp Friction" workshop, but I couldn't make it.. I was pretty disapointed..
Does anybody use the card control? What are your thoughts on it, honestly? |
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
He is wrong...
Perhaps he meant "The Losing Control" of Lee's is a replacement for a pass, but pulp friction accomplishes very different things from a pass. I love the move and have many applications, be on the look out for his Pulp Friction DVD. However, using it to merely control a card isn't even on my top 5 list for uses of pulp friction |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Thought Lee doesn't agree with me on this, the Losing Control IS a pass. It's just a very different kind of pass, using a non-typical methodology.
But the dynamic of the pass, that of transposing the halves of the pack, is exactly what it uses, and in a very disarming and technically simple manner. It does require good timing, but it's not as difficult as most passes. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
It takes some work to make it look good but it's deceptive.
I don't use it. I do, however, use his "Losing Control" with regularity. Both are born from of same basic idea. Both worth learning.
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Adam Hince Special user Pittsburgh, PA 509 Posts |
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On 2006-09-18 22:30, Daegs wrote: Straight from the back of his "Pulp Friction" notes, "The Pass was for Erdnase - Lee Asher". I'm not saying that it is a pass, however it can be used to control a card to the bottom, hence a replacement for a pass. I agree though that there are many more uses for this than just a typical control. Adam |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
The move is quite inovative and the applications are fantastic.
In a simple act of spreading the cards so many things can be accomplished. The losing control, could be used as a replacment to the pass, as could pulp. When the DVD comes out, everyone should be grabbing it. Or, better yet, no one buy it, and let me be the only one to use this!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2006-09-19 15:42, Adam Hince wrote: For those that don't know the moves in question... Lee's quote could be misleading. I hightly doubt that Lee uses either of these moves when the pass would be the better choice. I do the pass all the time. Much more often than the Losing Control (I will speak to the Losing Control rather than Pulp Friction). The Losing Control is much easier. Believe me, I'm no Erdnase and I still prefer the pass. Why? Becuase they both have their time and place and for the effects I do, The Pass has more times and places. Lee's quote is an attantion getter and it can and should be becuase the Losing control is easy to learn, deceptive, and very useful. It takes: guts and choreography. The pass takes lots of practice, timing, and misdirection. They are both good for what they do but one is not a replacement for the other. If a spectator signs their card.... I don't see the losing control coming into play in my repitoire without changing how I proceed after a card has been signed and returned to the deck. So I don't use it regularly. I do have effects where it is the exact thing I use every time. You should 100% learn this move. It's a magician fooler (Losing and Pulp). Trying to come up with something to fool magicians is a current waste of my available time but I've done it over and over using The Losing Control just becuase it's so different than what is expected.
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
In the lee asher interview on sleightclub.com he talks about inventing pulp friction and says this:
"i've stopped stopped using the pass, I don't control cards using a shift. I think that was last century's technology, it's time to update our tools." |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Maybe Im wrong here because I have NO idea what either of these controls are...But I believe wsduncan was refering to "Losing Control" not Pulp Fiction.
Also, can anyone tell me sources to learn these controls? James |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
They are in Lee's notes:
Losing control: Hand Jobs Pulp Friction: Pulp Friction I'm still dubious about Lee not using the pass. I've been wrong before though. I remember the day.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Thanks Frank.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Well,
Lee doesn't some beautiful pass work (he was the one who showed me the wrist turn pass, which I still think is a thing of beauty). But after watching him do magic for the past couple of years I hounestly cant remmebr seeing him use a pass in performance. He does use the Losing control and Pulp, and both are wonderfull. Is it a replacment for a pass? yes and no. FOr the control of one card, both of the mentioned moves are a better replacment (pulp and losing control).
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G.Gilbert Elite user baltimore 495 Posts |
I watched a video of Pulp Friction being done on Magic Video Depot.. (I never learned Pulp Friction, he didn't do it at his lecture... I was supposed to go to his workshop, and learn it but something came up)
Well after watching this video about a thousand times, I figured it out... now I think I know what Lees fav. move is... (anything that has to do with a reverse) |
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theronmagic New user 87 Posts |
GeorgeMeck
Pulp is a fun move, it is found in Lee's notes. I have heard that he is comming out with a DVD on it. I predict that it will be a big seller. Magically, Theron |
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Terry Screen Regular user Zhejiang China 106 Posts |
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On 2006-09-20 22:29, GeorgeMeck wrote: And that would probably be why Lee never ever (correct me if I'm wrong) put up a demo video for either Losing Control OR Pulp Friction. I can't for the life of me believe that someone else has had the lack of foresight to do so on MVD. Both moves do not bear repeated scrutiny. They are to be used in the right moment, and not too often at that for the same audience. If I were Lee I'd be asking that this video be removed and execute some damage control. I'm anti censorship (per se), but when it comes to (almost) openly divulging magic secrets, that's a whole other kettle of freshly gutted fish. Regards . . |
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G.Gilbert Elite user baltimore 495 Posts |
I'll be buying the DVD. Everyone should.. This control is CLEAN.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
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On 2006-09-21 08:36, Terry Screen wrote: I know that Lee had a demo video for Losing Control up briefly, because I saw it. It wasn't up all that long before it was taken down, presumably for the reasons you cite.
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Yep. He did have a video of both. I emailed him as soon as I saw The Losing Control video and asked him to take it down. I'm sure others did too. It was not up for long. Lee taught it to me at a Danny Archer lecture in Sacratomato.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Well thanks to Frank I was able to pick up a copy of Hand Jobs. Ive read through Losing Control a few times but Im having trouble making it look good. Is there any chance someone on here can send me a demo video of them performing the control? (I will most definitely provide proof that I own the lecture notes) I understand how the control works but it just isn't very visual deceptive when I perform it. I think I can pick up the idea much better with a visual aid.
James |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2006-09-21 13:34, James F wrote: You might want to pick up a copy of the losing control dvd at http://www.leeasher.com . |
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