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How do these cups handle? Are they spun or CNC machined? In terms of collectibility, how would you rank them against Riser, Van Dokkum and Gary Animal (Gazzo) cups?

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The cups are heavy as are all CNC cups. The quality is excellent as one would expect from Joe. As to comparing it with Riser et al, well, it's like comparing a Cezanne with a Matisse...each stands out in its own right. I have the copper set and love it. The case that comes with a set is beautiful as is the wand that Joe includes with each set.
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They are CNC machined. The copper and brass ones are quite heavy. The stainless steel ones are a little lighter. They are nice sets.

He keeps threatening to run out of them. He was doing that three years ago. You can still get them.
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As a collector, one of the most attractive features of the Porper cups is the package: not only do you get the cups, but also a beautiful Porper wand and the custom-made wooden case that it all goes into. The cups are superbly made: CNC machined with a smooth black powdercoat interior. As far as handling is concerned, I find the cups a bit too heavy to work with for close-up tabletop magic - but that's just my personal opinion.

The Porper cups are certainly collectable. I'd be interested to know who buys them - whether their main attraction is to collectors or to working pros.
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How heavy are the brass Porper cups? Height? Diameter? This would be helpful to know. Hope it's not too much of a bother.

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It is. It is FAR too much of a bother. However, it's a dirty job and somebody with a set of these cups has to do it. Smile

Seriously, the brass cups weigh 9.3 oz. each. They are well-balanced, though.
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The stats on my brass porpers are:

9.3oz, 9.1oz, and 9.2oz (I re-weighed them several times, even turned them upside down)....

The measurements are the same:
Inner mouth - just under 3 inches
Outer mouth - just over 3 1/8 inches
Outer height - just barely under 3 inches, ignoring the curve of the cup
Inner height - just over 2.75 inches
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I just grabbed the heaviest one in the box.
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Bill and James : Thanks to you both!

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You are most welcome.
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I am not an expert howerver I can tell you this cups are quite overprice unless they are much,much,much better quality than sherwood smooth cups.
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I think that it is odd for them to be three different weights. If they are CNC's shouldn't they all be exactly the same?????
I too think they are way overpriced for what you get and what they are.
I used Porpers for a very short time and sold them ...I picked up the Sherwoods Brass and Copper and liked them much better.
The Porpers I got were purchased at a magic convention and sold that same weekend.
I have been doing Cups and Balls for over 25 years with metal cups.
I had no idea they were different weights, however, they just didn't feel right to me. I also know that a cups feel and workability is subjective and you should always try before you buy if at all possible.
I had the oppertunity to see some of the new R-N-T 2 cups recently and I must say that they are well made also. All felt that they were the same weight and very workable.

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I chose these for collecting, but use them as well. If you have rather small hands these may not be the workers you want. But they are worth every penny considering knowing the cost of the materials and the time it takes to CNC, Powerdercoat and Epoxy the cups. The last 2 steps mentioned can drive the cost of the cups up 3 times due to costs.

Weights can vary with CNC milling. Just because a block is 4x4 does not always mean it weighs the same as another, they're may be slight overstroking during the milling process, something that is not visible to the human eye, but can be felt in the weight or seen on a scale. In addition to overstroking a block, the desinty of the block may vary slightly.

I'm very pleased with the copper cups and the stainless, just need the brass and wood set to complete the collection....ah someday.

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The copper cups are beautiful. I got a set but not with the box and wand. If I recall it was via Mr. P. Biro some how (thanks again). I went to the porper link he gave and was reminded just what they go for. I thought I imagined it. I'll have to save up just for a Porper paper bag to put them in.

They are definitely show pieces, not inteded for use on the street or bashing with non-wooden wands. Broader at the base than other cups that tall. If anyone has had the misfortune to drop one on the street perhaps he can tell us how well they hold up in real working conditions. I'll bet the steel ones hold up OK at that.
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I got a set but not with the box and wand

Hmmm...I was under the impression that each set of Porper Cups comes with the beautiful wood case to house the cups and a wand that's stored in it's own compartment within the case.
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That's what I have been told since, but when offerred I did not know to ask about that. If there is an extra box drifting about let me know.
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I wonder how much plungerman paid for just the cups,i just visit porper site and the wand it self it is $200.oo so you should saved 300 or 400 dollars
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On 2006-09-25 18:16, pintorama wrote:
I am not an expert howerver I can tell you this cups are quite overprice unless they are much,much,much better quality than sherwood smooth cups.


What basis do you make your claim that they are overpriced? Just curious.

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As I said before I am not expert but I know the price of some cups, I also know difert magic shops selling the same cups for a big diferent price,i also know the cnc milling proces and the solid block they use for each cup....lets take a look :
Pete Biro Galli Galli Cups. $255
Ring 'N Things II Paul Fox Mini $280
James Riser Traditional Cups. $285
Cellini Cups $295
Michael Kaminskas Limited Edition Cups. $300
Van Dokkum Standard Cups. $320.
JESMagic Squatty Cups. $325
Fohrman Cups: $330
Gazzo Street Cups by Gazzo & Knight. $350
Michael Lee Millennium Cups in Aluminum $350
Owen Magic Supreme Stainless Cups $365
jesmagic squatty cups $250
and the most beatufull cup in the market (for me ) sherwood smooth copper only $275 , however I understand the way the maket works
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