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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 17612 Posts 
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I saw some performance footage(?)
 on youtube last night. Not impressive to me, but perhaps to others.
MY QUESTION: Are there ANY new methods aside from what most Magician/Mentalists already have? I can write the presentations myself.
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Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts
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On 2006-10-19 15:51, Slim King wrote: In some circles here in the UK it could be called "Cricket"...... |
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Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts
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On 2006-10-18 23:10, Tony Iacoviello wrote:You get an ****ysis of the act and explanation of the effects...Mentalism is not dead! Mentalism might not be dead, but I wish the James Bond "secret" coding, e.g., ***ysis would die a slow death..or perhaps someone here could creat a more difficult code to crack. Now that would be a cause for deeper ****ysis for us to ****yize.... I just love the auto pilot here that adds **** in place of a n a l..come to think of it, it does strike me as being a bit too **** some how... |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13154 Posts
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Reuben
I agree with you 100%. Tony |
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John Nesbit Inner circle United States 1418 Posts
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On 2006-10-18 22:24, Scott Xavier wrote: At this point in retrospect, I wonder if Scott wasn't on to... Something ? Yeah, what Is up with this "auto censoring" ? Someone cannot deal with the legitimacy of the English language ? |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13154 Posts
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I'm not sure about the statement attributed to Max Maven. This is the same guy who wrote the color series in the 1970s, detailing the principles that made up his act.
The reasons I enjoy the Nothing DVD set have little to nothing to do with the effects used in the act. Tony |
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John Nesbit Inner circle United States 1418 Posts
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On 2006-10-24 08:02, Slim King wrote: This is an important question and issue for many. My question, is an L&L studio audience a true reflection of the (the real world trenches) ? |
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Piers Inner circle A Limited Edition of 1479 Posts
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... probably not.
Q. Did Max discuss the use/preparation etc., of patter or scripts? That would have been interesting. Piers.
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cfrye Special user Portland, Oregon, USA 940 Posts
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He did go into script construction during his conversation with Michael Weber where he discussed setting an overall framework and tone for the performance. It was one of many topics discussed, so he doesn't go into great depth. You can find a more complete discussion in Ken Weber's Maximum Entertainment.
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Dario Veteran user 332 Posts
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And what about the secret wishper he did to the woman?
It's a post hipnotic order?, It's only for make the show longer?, What thinks the woman's husband about this? I can't sleep.... |
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magikcid Regular user 145 Posts
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Just finished watching and tell you the truth I liked it. It definitely helps to have been doing mentalism for some time. Mr. Maven throws out so many tiny details which really aren't mentioned anywhere else. Little points I wouldn't even think to ask. If anything, it causes you to think about the craft. Whether you agree with what was said or not you have to think about it before forming an opinion. As to new methods. He did not bring anything to the table that I wasn't aware of, but he did bring things up about the methods that just never crossed my mind. I think it defintely was worth the money (to be honest, my girlfriend got it for me...but I did get her a Dooney and Burke bag...oh well...lol)
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thinkingisbelieving New user 100 Posts
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I just watched my copy last night and (speaking only for myself here), I thought it was worth the investment.
As far as the actual effects are concerned, I found them interesting. But what I got the most from was the round-table discussion on the 2nd disc. Hearing the different points of view from the others as well as Max's own self-criticism was refreshing and provided insight to developing routines. The idea of "process" is something that in my opinion is overlooked by many performers, and a lot of shows wind up being little more than a collection of effects. Speaking for myself, I appreciated the insight and I will probably be spending many rehearsals evaluating what I do based on many of the things talked about. If you get this DVD just to learn a "few new tricks," you may be disappointed. But I viewed it from the perspective of how the information could improve my show, and I look forward to seeing the results in my next rehearsal. Did I agree with everything Max said? Of course not. (I still haven't carved my hairline into a "Max-Do.") But I do defer to his years of experience and knowledge. If I'm going to learn from anyone - even if it's what NOT to do - Max would be a good source. |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1253 Posts
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On 2006-10-26 12:34, thinkingisbelieving wrote: I think Mr. Maven was quite emphatic on this point. You should not imitate him or his style. This would mean you agree with him here, not disagree .
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thinkingisbelieving New user 100 Posts
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On 2006-10-26 13:11, splice wrote: Exactly my point. I just made it in a clumsy fashion. |
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psychic Veteran user 337 Posts
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The DVDs are well worth the investment.
As to comments if Max's performance for the shoot has too much dead time, it is very subjective. Why? Because you are not there, that's why. Watching a taped performance vs being there is totally different when you are being "part of" the show. Was Max as glib as he is on stage for his regular act (for those who have seen)? He isn't, and he has clearly pointed out that you are not getting the lines he uses in his shows. He doesn't need to, because his performance suits the context for the group he is performing for and more importantly his purpose of shooting the DVDs. If you want to improve on yr performance and get tips on how to better manage the crowd, there's no hard and fast rules. You can't learn that. It's an art by itself. |
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icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts
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You can actually learn how to manage a crowd
You learn from experience. Also some of the dead time is when people seated down in the audience are doing whatever such as adding numbers or looking at a magazine----the rest of the audience cannot see this and they should be iether standing up or up on stage. If the audience cannot see something that is going on--- this is dead time or rather dying time- for someone who has performed allot- ie Max- he should know better and really should have organised himself allot better on the night. from my angle- he turned up in a suit and went to the shops spent less that 10 minutes and less than $10 when it was time to perform- made it up as he went along this is not something worth purchasing- unless he does a good job. |
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James Munton Inner circle Dallas, TX 1199 Posts
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But what I got the most from was the round-table discussion on the 2nd disc. Hearing the different points of view from the others as well as Max's own self-criticism was refreshing and provided insight to developing routines. Really? What was something you learned from the other people on the panel? I'm finding it impossible to remember a single thing anyone said other than "that was great, Max!" Go on, try... They took the title to heart and literally said NOTHING! Best, James |
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the fritz Special user 645 Posts
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I cannot comment on the content of the DVD's because I've not ordered my copy of the set yet, but the concept is so intriguing. The hypothetical question has been talked about ad nauseum here, and this is the first I've seen (on commercially released DVD, anyway) anybody really try it out... put it into practice. I think it would be neat to see other performers come up with the other concepts that involve a high degree of risk (that's pretty much why this is intriguing isn't it... how someone gets out of a jam and completes their mission... anybody know if "24" is a hit show or not?) and film it. Kudos to Max for having the bits to do this raw and publicly release it. At the very least I admire his courage.
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mentalskeptic Regular user Hollywood, CA 147 Posts
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I think most performers, in a perfect world, would get more out of the talk about the theory, reasoning behind his actions, explanations for how/why he dealth with a spectator in this or that way, etc. than any tipping of methods, although the explanation and elaboration on the parasight routine is also valuable.
Maybe that is just wishful thinking, since so many magicians and mentalists both are much more into collecting secrets than perfecting one's art. Am I sounding curmudgeonly before my time?
"Few have the courage of their convictions; fewer still, the courage for an attack on their convictions." — Nietzsche
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the fritz Special user 645 Posts
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Don't worry mentalskeptic,
With so many different personalities in magic (heck, in the world) I think there is plenty room for both theory and collecting secrets. Tommy Wonder obviously thought so judging by the content of his books and I can't think of many who would argue with him. Another example is Max Maven himself. He has a lot of theory is his work, but also lots of tricks (I'm thinking of Prism, for example). I love a good intelligent, thoughtful approach to magic but sometimes its just plain more fun to collect secrets. I guess its kind of like with movies... sometimes you're in the mood for "Lord of the Rings", and sometimes you just want a little "Better Off Dead." |
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