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Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1490 Posts	Posted: Oct 4, 2006 07:32 am 0 Quote: On 2006-10-04 05:33, Christopher Williams wrote: I honestly can't believe so many people have got this wrong. I have used Smash and Stab for years, and even sold a couple of sets to others with my routine for the effect, and they all have agreed with me, that once you know the secret, it really is almost impossible to get it wrong, and I even use a blindfold and don't get it wrong. I don't even think a lapse in concentration could make this a mistake. Simple fact in my opinion, if you know the secret, you shouldn't mess this up. As for getting a spectator to do it for you, NEVER do this. You make them feel uncomfortable and it takes some of the routine away. I have been working on a Gypsy thread routine done completely in the spectators hand, and then was reminded from my Mentor this was the worst thing I could do. There needs to be a line between you and your spectator. Though a lot of people believe it is best to do all magic you can in the spectators hands, remember who the magician is, and I think that applies here. The magician is the person who should be risking their hands with the effect I agree with you about Smash & Stab, but not the Gypsy Thread - Gene Anderson showed ne a handling of Gypsy Thread that involves the spectator holding the thread in the palm of their hand - and it is very strong Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts	Posted: Oct 4, 2006 07:37 am 0 Hi Christopher Williams, I think most of us would agree with you that it's not an issue if you are risking your own hand - though of course we want you to be sure you don't hurt yourself - and I think we can safely assume with your experience that won't be an issue. For most of us I think the problem is that an audience members hand was put at risk, and that is just 100% wrong.
Danny Diamond Inner circle Connecticut 1400 Posts	Posted: Oct 4, 2006 09:00 am 0 Quote: On 2006-10-04 05:33, Christopher Williams wrote: once you know the secret, it really is almost impossible to get it wrong The key word there is ALMOST. Maybe no trick is 100% impossible to get wrong, but if I try a card revelation and get it wrong, I don't end up with a hole in my hand! You don't drown by falling in the water; you drown by staying there. - Edwin Louis Cole
Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1490 Posts	Posted: Oct 4, 2006 10:20 am 0 Quote: On 2006-10-04 10:00, Danny Diamond wrote: if I try a card revelation and get it wrong, I don't end up with a hole in my hand! or the spectator's hand, either! Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
Michael Peterson Inner circle is where I'm trapped, because of my 4071 Posts	Posted: Oct 6, 2006 07:02 pm 0 That was truly terrible, I actually cringed and my blood pressure just shot up! I still love the trick though, I have 2 versions that can not go wrong(I think?).
Montethrower Elite user a little town in nowhere 422 Posts	Posted: Oct 7, 2006 07:41 pm 0 ........ Mother of god....... Do it right, if you do it at all, and NEVER put a spec in danger. +Sigh of anger+
Greg V New user B.C. Canada 43 Posts	Posted: Oct 9, 2006 07:13 pm 0 Wow. I can't believe he would use the spectators hand (especially putting it on the bottom, making it hit the spike first). Each time he put the hand overtop I knew it might happen (just the thought of it...yikes). I've seen the effect performed live only once, and it also went wrong. Luckily the magician used his own hand, and was okay afterwards. I would NEVER perform a trick where there is chance for mistakes such as this, where someone might get injured. Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.
gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1726 Posts	Posted: Oct 10, 2006 10:47 am 0 Gaaah! This is one of those videos that makes me want to order all of the stupid people off of the planet. The first guy...Ok, he screwed up, he hurt HIMSELF. Excusable. Don't know how he got screwed up, but it is excusable. The second guy should be given a Cease and Decist order immediately, and then forced to participate in one of my Suspension shows. I am all about building drama and suspense in a show, but that was unforgivable. Not only did he put the spectator in danger, but took no risk upon himself at all. It's easy to be careless when your own flesh isn't on the line. I really hate this as it was on my "To Do" list of tricks. Still might be, but I am definately going to rethink the method. Maybe I'll use clear plastic cups... Gwyd www.knottybitssideshow.com www.kbsideshow.com
CoinMan21 Elite user China 442 Posts	Posted: Oct 11, 2006 11:16 am 0 If you do Scott Alexander's Shattered, it is 100% foolproof. There is no way you could get hurt.
braunmagic Veteran user 370 Posts	Posted: Oct 11, 2006 01:05 pm 0 Coinman21 Last week while performing Shattered the paper bag gave me a horrible paper cut. Nothing is 100% safe. Brent Braun www.brickandmortarmagic.com/FPS
CoinMan21 Elite user China 442 Posts	Posted: Oct 11, 2006 01:24 pm 0 Never knew lunch bags could cut you. Maybe you should check if you had left any broken bits of glass inside.
Buzz New user 29 Posts	Posted: Oct 11, 2006 07:07 pm 0 I once saw A Magi do the same sort of trick but with a small little canary in one of three paper bags. When smashing second bag...Splat. Red stained bag and a loud little chirp. All was cool as the real bird was switched with a small packet of fake blood. It sure got my attention.
gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1726 Posts	Posted: Oct 12, 2006 09:42 am 0 That is so cool! Gives me an excuse to buy a pet mouse!! Gwyd www.knottybitssideshow.com www.kbsideshow.com
ssucahyo Inner circle indonesia 1939 Posts	Posted: Oct 21, 2006 11:38 am 0 Tell me...is that part of the trick....?? :o( CC. Creator of the "High Voltage Gimmick" and Shaman's spirit table https://youtu.be/Rlgl4CzUa98 IG: @affordable_illusions_magic
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