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Is there a smaller close-up cup that uses a racket ball for the largest final load??? I guess it would be somewhat of a mini cup, but I would imagine bigger. Thanks guys

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I have a set of penguin cups and use the blue balls. I mean the racquetballs.
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The RnT II Foxy II cups, the Rnt II Mini Paul Fox cups and the James Riser mini cups will all take a racquetball.

These are awfully small for the Penguin cups.
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On 2006-10-06 03:02, Bill Palmer wrote:
The RnT II Foxy II cups, the Rnt II Mini Paul Fox cups and the James Riser mini cups will all take a racquetball.

These are awfully small for the Penguin cups.<----:banned:


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Wow, I didn't realize those cups you mentioned could fit anything near the size of a racquetball. And how big is the typical working ball used in those mini cups?? Would you do moves that stack multiple balls nested in the cups, or would you still use a ball around 1". Thanks
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One problem I find with my racquetballs is the rubber tends to grip the inside of the cup like a brake so I can't slide the cups with the balls inside.
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Ammar used to use a quite small loads for the size of the cups (now he has his own little cups) and the response was great. you may wanna ask bill about the Ammar cups, I believe they are fine for racquetballs.
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The response is great for Ammar's routine, because his routine is great. If you are more than a few feet from the cups, it is difficult to see anything but the lemon and the turnip. The turnip shows up pretty well because of its color. However, both the lemon and the turnip are larger than a racquetball. The tomato is almost the same size. They will take a racquetball, of course. If they were 1/8 inch taller, they would take a lacrosse ball.

There is a load ball available for a very low cost that will work in all but the mini cups. This is the "Fun Ball" or "Spring Ball" from Wal-Mart. They sell for less than $5.00 for a box of 15 balls. They are smaller than a lacrosse ball, but larger than a racquetball.

They will not fit into the PF Minis, the Foxy II's or the Riser mini's.

Ammar used larger fake vegetables when he was using his Paul Fox cups. He used to sell the larger ones, but the supply is gone now. I have both sizes.

I'm going to repeat a statement here that I have made many times.

The effectiveness of the final loads depends on YOUR ability to sell them.

Ammar does this with a couple of puns. I don't know whether we laugh at the puns because they are funny or we tolerate them because it is Michael. It makes no difference, because either way, he still gets a positive response. Most of that is because his routine is very strong.

Some performers, such as John Mendoza, firmly believe that the size of the final load not only matters, but is crucial. He wants a final load that fills the cup to its maximum capacity.

Good cups are designed around the final load. The Paul Fox cups were designed around a lacrosse ball. If you have never tried a lacrosse ball in a set of Paul Fox cups (or in those other P cups), take one of your cups to a sporting goods store and find a lacrosse ball that will fit them. Get a white one if possible.

Place that ball on top of the cup and look at it from a distance of about 5 feet. Then you will understand what those cups are meant to do.
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One problem I find with my racquetballs is the rubber tends to grip the inside of the cup like a brake so I can't slide the cups with the balls inside.


Most racquetballs are dull in color, a light coating of clear talc will
take care of the gripping problem.
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I have a big problem with new lacrosse balls gripping, not only the cup, but also the close-up pad! Once I place the cup down, the only way it's gonna move is if I lift it again and place it back down. Now I have what you could say is a "weathered" lacrosse ball. It was a small dogs toy, has been outside for a while as well. It "hardened up", and does not grip the cup nor the close-up mat. Let me explain that the new lacross ball does not grip the cup if I could slide it around on the mat, only when loading into the cup, it gets caught sometime on the metal, and instead of sliding, it rolls and gets stuck. These balls are brand new. Will they eventually "harden up" Is it only the brand that I bought that is doing this?? They are Brine Lacrosse balls, but also realize the the "weathered" ball is exactly the same brand. Is there anything I can do to "smooth" the ball out?? Thanks

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Stevie - I agree: lacrosse balls (and rubber balls) will tend to grip the sides of the cup when you try and push the cup forward after loading. Dusting the surface with talc will help. Your best bet is to lift the cup rather than push it.

Alternatively, you could use undersize tennis balls which don't have this problem with gripping.

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The rubber balls that are used for dog toys may look like lacrosse balls, but they are different. They have a different kind of rubber in them. As I have already mentioned, lacrosse balls vary in size -- even balls by the same maker vary in size. So I can't just say, "Buy three Brine lacrosse balls." You must select them to fit your cups.

I have lacrosse balls that are 20 years old that have not hardened.

If you lift the cups very slightly before you try to move them, the balls should remain on the table top when you move the cup forward. I won't get into the physics of trying to move a cup that has a tight fitting ball in it, but basically what you have is a rubber brake. The talc might be your answer. Or try a slightly smaller ball.

The undersize tennis balls will be a much easier load to manage.
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Anybody know if the Fakini multiplying eggs would fit the Paul Fox mini cups as final loads?
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I should add this about the racquetballs. There are two sizes of them. The smaller size is the one you need for the cups I mentioned.
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A standard racquetball ball is 2.25 inches (57mm) in diameter.

A squash ball (UK) is 1.75 inches (44mm)in diameter. Unfortunately, they're black and as a result, they don't make a particularly visual final load ball. However, the Dunlop Max squash ball (designed for beginners) is more visual - it's bright blue, slightly larger than a standard squash ball and measures 2 inches (50mm) in diameter. It fits nicely into the RnT2 mini PF cups, but is too big for the MM mini cups or El Duco minis.

My favourite ball for mini cup loads are the stripy practice golf balls. They're light to carry and visually striking. They're also slightly smaller than a regular golf ball and will fit into a range of different cups.
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There are also some handballs that are 1.75" in diameter. These are available in blue and look very good with these cups. These are the smaller "racquetballs." I got a couple of mislabeled cans of them a couple of years ago, which is why I made the mistake.

I still like those small tennis balls. There are now some that squeak, as well.
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At PetCo recently I saw some cat toys that seemed to be maybe 1.75" balls with a covering of multi-colored metalic cord. I don't know if they're a standard item or if they're "holiday" cat toys.
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Those Stripey Golf Balls are not available in golf shops here, but you can find them in pet stores as cat toys.

I found some nice blue handballs at one of our local sporting goods stores.
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