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TannerJade
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Hey Guys,

Which do you prefer out of those two books...though I know it would be hard, and the material is quite different. I guess I am more wondering about your thoughts on each Smile

Thanks!!

Tanner

P.S. I just know APOCALYPSE is just awesome!
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Almanac- wider variety- great stuff
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Both are ok but not as good as Goodliffe's 'My Way to Mentalism' by Tony Binarelli
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How do you possibly compare the two? I "MIGHT" understand asking for a comparison between, say, Richard's Almanac and Apocalypse (Apocalypse, hands down, by the way...), or a comparison between one Lorayne tome and another, but there is simply no way to compare Richard's Almanac with Personal Collection. So I ask you this... are you a Harry Lorayne fan? If so you really must have Personal Collection. I can't imagine that he will ever produce another major work of his own material after this one, and it contains about 650 pages of sheer Lorayne brilliance (tricks, utility moves, full routines...). Any creative thinker would be lucky to come up with enough clever material to fill the pages of Personal Secrets, let alone the enormity of material that Harry has created and published in his lifetime, and to think that he still had enough first rate items to fill the pages of Personal Collection is staggering. Personal Collection, in my opinion, is positively exceptional.

That said, I should also say that Richard's Almanac is a great collection, and contains enough solid material to last you a lifetime (but I'm more of an Apocalypse fan, which has enough spectacular material to last you MANY lifetimes), but this is material from a wide variety of creators, unlike Personal Collection, which is all Lorayne (other than for the obvious and/or well credited influences).

How do you possibly choose between the two? Well... you don't. And fortunately I have both (which is what I suggest to you). Honestly, you won't be disappointed.

Best of luck!
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Thanks Magiguy. Do you think Kamus and Sooty will "hear" you? Doubt it. I admire your good taste, and thanks for saying those nice things. Best - HARRY LORAYNE.
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Harry, there is room for more than one opinion, is there not? I happened to like Alamanac because of the many different contributors.

Sure, in some sense it's an apples to oranges comparison. I happen to like apples. That doesn't mean that your book isn't great or Almanac isn't. Why do you have to diss someone because they have a preference?
Otherwise there is no point in continuing this thread.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Harry has proclaimed that his book is the best. No more need be said. Dissenters should find another thread.
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Thanks for the input guys...yes, I understand it is not a idea to compare the two...

And, I LOVE Mr. Lorayne's APOCALYPSE...so yes, I am sure I would love all of his books Smile

Thanks all,

Tanner
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Hey Kamus: Of course there's room for more than one opinion. And I'd thank you for giving me the right to MY OPINION. Kamus has spoken; no one need reply.

Sorry, buddy. To paraphrase Voltaire, I'll fight to the death for your right to your opinion (even if it's wrong!), but I sure would expect the same from you.

And I will fight to the death for your right to your opinion, but not for your right to lie. Where in the world did I EVER "proclaim that my book is the best?! There's an old-fashioned phrase for statements like that - and your remark smacks of it - "yellow journalism." You're right - if we allow lies like that, then "there's no point to continuing this thread." HARRY LORAYNE.
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Definitely Almanac for me. As Kamus says, a wide variety and the material is certainly strong.
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Never read apocalyps but I do know Kaufman's Almanac is a very good read and study.
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Almanac all the way... As said above, it gives you more variety of material ( that is only if you are looking for a variety of material from different magicians)

Best,
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It won't be either. But, since I get to choose then I'll go with Almanac all the way.
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Yeah Harry, I "hear" you. Too bad you don't "hear" yourself.
I wasn't pretending to quote you, I was summarising your attitude which as anyone who has witnessed your many postings here, know that you are quick to rail against any criticism of your work-real or imagined. How else to explain your condescending remarks about me and sooty as if we were incapable of understanding Magiguy's point that an exact comparison is impossible. A self contradictory point, incidentally for though he said "how do you compare the two" then he proceeds to do exactly that. The difference being that he preferred Apocalypse- and a good thing too, otherwise he might have been the object of your wrath.

The irony is, no-one said your book was inferior in any way- the original poster asked for preferences, we supplied them, and you attacked. A familiar pattern with you, is it not?

Well, anyway, I don't want to turn this thread into a derail/flame-out.

Let it be said that I have nothing but admiration for your excellent magic skills and your published work- less so for your ability to conduct a mature online conversation.
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To each his own, Kamus. I didn't know you were a psychiatrist. I made a simple, humorous (I thought) remark, and you really read all your hangups into it. That's your problem. Then YOU attacked.

Please don't tell me or others about my "familiar pattern." What in the world do you know about my "patterns." You'll have to forgive me, Kamus, I'm just getting a bit tired of people thinking they can put me down, and then get upset when I hit back. THAT is part of my "pattern," I hit back. Sorry.

I do appreciate your statement re: your admiration for my work. When you make statements like "conducting a mature ... etc." look unto yourself my friend. I love you dearly, but please don't psychoanalyze me, you're not qualified. All the best. HARRY LORAYNE.
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Okay, back on track. I've read both. I've gotten so many good ideas from both. I've been inspired by both. I've thought to myself, "That's sneaky as all he**" from many different items in both. Oh, and by the way, Apocalypse makes magic fun for me everytime I read it. There's a magazine I wish was still running...

Best,

Dorian Rhodell
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OK I think it's best to go with the positive in your last post. Flame outs and invective are counterproductive to what people are trying to accomplish on the Café.

Magic owes you a debt and I so do I. No-one can or should tarnish the enormous contribution you have made to the art. I felt your intial comment about me and sooty was a bit snide and uncalled for, but we all need to move along . We should all strive for peace in our lives and peace with each other. So all the best to you too, Harry.

I mean that sincerely.
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delta
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They are both very good. you can't go wrong. I m a big fan of apocalypse so my choice would be personnal collection
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Thanks guys...

Also, thanks for the email Mr. Lorayne!

About what cost are Collected Almanac's running for...from individual sellers?
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Just out of curiosity, what exactly is the difference between the personal collection and the classic collection?

I don't own any lorayne material, and with christmas coming up, I might as well see what all the (continously re-occuring) buzz is about.
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Kaufman's Collected Almanac, a lot of stuff, many great performer... I haven't read Personnal collection but you can't go wrong with the collected almanac.
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