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I was toying with the idea of having a Copper/Silver Flipper coin made. It would be just like the standard flipper with the addition of a copper face on the backside of the flipped up portion of the coin (i.e. copper where the typical flipper has a smooth face). This would make a handy gaff to go from 1 copper to 1 silver to 2 silver coin in a single gaff. The band would have to be grooved around the edge like standard flippers and not internal like a gravity flipper. I have not requested a quote from the custom gaff makers yet, as I was curious as to other factors that one might consider before a final design. Has anyone done this or have any thoughts on the idea?
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Sounds interesting Jon. Though, wouldn't the copper back be a problem since it would be attached to the silver shell? It would make an interesting C/S coin, with ability to show one as two, and would aid in the process of getting one ahead or one behind (depending upon your perception of which is which). Hmmm, I guess it really wouldn't be a problem after all Smile

I like it. How about putting a silver shell over the C/S flipper? You could go from one silver to two silvers, to two silvers and a copper in between, and then all the way back to a "single" coin... a nice progression. Ditch the shell and add a dot of wax to the back of the flipper, and you could even it out to be examined when the routine is done! Smile

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Why risk inspection of what you can easily vanish?
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Or switch the gimmick for the real thing. It IS easy enough to do so.

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I actually own a Copper/Silver Flipper coin. Admittedly, I bought it largely out of curiosity and have never really made serious use of it.

Here's where I got it:

http://www.magicbox.uk.com/shop.php/shop......413.html

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Cy.
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RE: "Why risk inspection of what you can easily vanish?" Good point Jon. I was just noodling the C/S concept around. A simple vanish would be preferable to a potential catastrophy Smile

RE: "Or switch the gimmick for the real thing. It IS easy enough to do so." Yup, you could make it vanish, or switch it out. Or you could make it vanish, reappear, then switch it out, and then make it vanish again! Wait, I'm on a roll here... Ok, make it vanish, reappear, change into Chinese coin, revanish, reappear as a silver coin again, do a spellbound change so it then becomes a lock washer, vanish it a third time, have it reappear in your pocket, where you have a duplicate lock washer, do a coin split, produce the two lock washers, sleeve one, Cardini pocket vanish the second, snap your fingers and pull the ungaffed silver coin from the spectator's shirt pocket!! Ta Da!

Or something like that. Smile Smile Smile

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A cute idea for the gaff, as it allows you to show both, remove either and still get the effect of the remaining one dissapearing.

Saves one equivocation. Maybe adds some flexibility to an International VCA.
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The pictured in the link is different from the design I mentioned. Keep the input coming.
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Yeah, I reread your original post Jon, now I understand where you're going. The problem there would be that you cannot show the copper and silver together, as the well of the shell would be exposed when the copper side of the hinged back is displayed. If you combine the gaff with an ungaffed half, you could show three halves at once (by deploying the flipper in the standard way), and there may be a way to use the ungaffed half to cover the underside of the shell, allowing you to to show a copper and a silver together.

The thing to consider here is continuity. You hold and handle a flipper in a very specific way. Would you be able to keep that continuity if you flipped over the flipper and covered the well of the shell with another coin? Can you flow through a routine that makes sense? Also, if a copper appears out of nowhere, some spectators will become suspicious if they can only see a portion of it while the rest of it is appartently covered or hidden by a silver coin. Would you need to keep an ungaffed copper handy as well?

Just a few thoughts Jon. You have an interesting idea... I'd use a regular flipper, imagine the copper coin face on the inside of the hinged part, and routine a few things up to see where the strengths and weaknesses are.

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Jon, I think your idea might have some interesting specific applications, but because the set is "flipped" you'll have limitations on what you can show as the copper coin. What you're talking about is a "flipped" sun and moon gaff, and accordingly, the question is whether your gaff can do anything better than the standard sun and moon. Mike can tell you about the possibilites in a standard S&M, he's quite done some very clever work with it.

One application I can think of, if you can open the gaff without fumbling, is this: You show a copper and a silver coin sitting on your hand. As you close the hand, you remove (apparently) the copper at your fingertips. You drop that copper on the specator's hand, or the table, and the coins instantly change places.

Is that better than what you can achieve with a standard S&M? I don't know. The traditional handling (i.e. Fred Kaps) is both deceptive and visual already, and it doesn't require dropping a gaff into the spectator's hand at the end.

Food for thought, though, good luck with it.
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Hey Curtis, Long time, no see / chat. Thanks for the kind words man. I thought about the S&M connection here as well, however, I'm not sure if those types of applications would be suited to this type of gaff. The direct transpo is definitely something that could be done quite visually and nicely, but it does leave the nasty little problem of the spec handling the gaff. This gaff might better serve as one of those "half-transposition" tools that we discussed briefly a couple years ago (time flies doesn't it!?). Something like:

"Hey, here's a couple silver coins... bingo! bango! Now we've got a silver and a copper coin, but what happened to that other silver coin? Kablam! Here it is in...

1. My pocket
2. Your pocket
3. This other prop that somehow makes sense in the context of this routine, that I introduced previously and then set aside for a minute...

...and by the way, the copper coin has now vanished for some good reason too..."

Something like that, you see where I'm going with this.

Though there may well be good applications, S&M-related, that I'm not seeing or thinking of... I just moved again and so, par usual, I'm all messed up for awhile Smile

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Hey Mike, good to hear from you. You know what they say, if you're moving, at least you know you're still alive. Smile

I have about the same impression you do about this one, I'm afraid. There are possibilites out there, but I can't say how good they are. Food for though on some rainy day, I say.
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What about an expanded shell to cover the gaff copper side as well? Sort of like a hopping half style arrangement to open up all sorts of possibilities.

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Anyone have a US source for that previously mentioned copper/silver flipper?
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I beleive it's a Magicbox exclusive, purchase from them if you can they're a great store

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I had a C/S flipper (Actually mine is a walking Liberty/Chinese coin Flipper) with an WL E shell made a few years ago. I used this for an Internatational VCA (3 Fly) routine. If you take a look at some of Troy Hooser work,some of his routines work well with this gaff.

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Cool coin set Joe Smile I'm happy for you... and jealous Smile

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