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mesmer72
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I am a certified hypnotherapist and a close up magician.
I have kept these two careers very separate so far, but I have made the tough decision to work hypnosis in to my act and would like some ideas that anyone would like to share with me.

I also have the opportunity to do a stage hypnosis show (if I want) next summer at a large biker rally. This is an outdoor event, so any tips or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
BRAD RUSH
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Here is a great tip, start practicing now. Don't let THAT be your first show.
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Thanks. That is the plan.
I have some ideas for smaller groups, but I'm looking for unusual ideas for a biker rally and tips for the type of sound gear (should I use a headset mic, etc.).
This is an outdoor event. Last year's rally was 1800 people, but the owners of the campground said it was too much, so next year there going to try to keep it down to 900.
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Not being a jerk, I would pass this along to another. I am not sure you are ready for an "outdoor biker rally".
Just "outdoor" makes it tough.
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What Danny said! That is one of the toughest crowds AND venues you can possibly work. Outdoor is tough enough. Bikers are tough, too. Mix the two, and you had better be top-notch and ready for anything and know how to handle it - in a way that will NOT tick anyone off!

Trust me - I've done these and, when they go well, they go REALLY well. And when they go bad, well, cops, SWAT, and tear gas can be involved.

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Next summer is far enough away...I would take the gig and make it my goal to be ready for it.

You have plenty of time, just go for it.

I was told the same when I started. Within only a few months, I was selling out theatres of 1000 every week.

Everyone told me I couldn't do it.

Just do it!
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Shrink, I never said he "couldn't do it". I am saying that for his first experience, perhaps a little softer venue was in line.

He has plenty of time to prepare, indeed, but we have no idea what his skill level as a performer is. If he is already an experienced performer, as you know that is 90% of the battle! An inexperienced performer may want to steer clear of the show for a couple of years. This environment is not easy. It depends on the make up of the person.

I do not say he "can't" do it or is not able, just in "general", he may be better off waiting for a bit to tackle the tougher crowds he will encounter. I do agree with you in spirit, though.
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Danny,

I was selling out theatres on a regular basis inside a year after training in stage hypnosis. I had no previous performing experience before I trained. Everyone told me it took years to get to that level, and it took me about 6 months.

I wasn't perfect, but I did enough to keep it going for three years!

I got my toughest crowd only a few months into my career - Senior Military.

I got food thrown at me, shoes thrown at me, and water thrown at me. It ended up in a pile of bodies on stage that tried to physically attack me. But I stood my ground and had an answer for anything they had to give.

It wasn't a pretty hypnosis show, I can tell you. However, stage fright was never an issue after that. EVERY show was much easier.

Whenever anyone tells me I can't do this or that...I just do it.

In the end, we become stronger because of our experiences.

If he makes it a hit, he will make an impression. If it goes belly up and the SWAT and tear gas are involved, he will make an impression. On both accounts, he will gain experience.

He can't lose unless he passes it on to someone else...

Just my way of looking at it.
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Well, Shrink, I feel people have a greater responsibility, one to their audience. THAT, I take quite seriously.

I don't recommend anyone doing what you did. It worked for you; great, not a problem. Just not the recommended method is all I am saying.

That is what is great about the world. LOT'S of right ways to do things.
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Bikers...A Piece of Cake...and without their Bikes, they're reduced to riding stick ponies.....Piece of Cake.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/Hypnotist/T......Show.WMV

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Shrink...thanks for your support.
A little more background on me:
As for performing for bikers, it's more like performing for family for me. At least 100 of them will be close friends, so no worries about riots, SWAT teams, or tear gas.
As for performance, I have 10 years experience as a closeup magician and some stage. I have been a hypnotherapist for years and a member of the Professional Board of Hypnotherapy.
This is a biker rally, but it is also a charity event (as many rallies are) to raise money for AIM (Association for Injured Motorcyclists) and other local charities.
I am sure I can put together a killer show by the summer, and that's why I'm working on it now.

Sincerely,
Brad Rush

Posted: Nov 18, 2006 11:47am
Sebastian,
Thanks for the video clip and the positive support.

Sincerely,
Brad
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Brad...I also suggest learning the lingo.

Flathead, Shovlehead, Panhead, Evo, Kickstart, Hardtail, Ink, Poker Run, R U B.....etc.

If you can connect, you'll be OK; but if you're phoney, they'll make you in a second.

I did the Michigan State Rally with 10,000 Bikers camping out, and it was the best time I ever had.
I went on each night before a defunct supergroup from the past; respectively,
Iron Butterfly (In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida)
Jethro Tull
Grand Funk RailRoad
Bad Company

Have a Blast.
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Brad, you have a leg up on this crowd, then. I would suggest that you talk up the show with these folks and get them on your side LONG before you appear there. Having your own cheer leaders scattered throughout the audience can be a huge help.

Grab a copy of McGill's Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism and read it carefully. If you would like, contact me directly, too, as I wrote the ONLY ebook and have taught the ONLY class, ever, on stage safety for stage hypotists (covering things like being blinded by the lights, getting people on and off stage safely, abreactions and such) and I'd be happy to discuss the gig with you.

After the holiday rush and my move... Smile

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Let me interject one thing everyone is missing. Hypnosis is about "expectation" it is actually easier to hypnotise a group of strangers than friends and family.

Just something to keep in mind. Hope all goes well!
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900 people! I am sure they aren't all his friends or family. When you have that size of audience its a walk in the park...or should I say trance in the park.

The issues here weren't about safety. This is assuming he has the right training plus hes done a few shows to build up to it.

I think he will do ok.

Learning stage hypnosis is like learning to drive. You do it in layers.

you learn the mechanics then the contents of a show.
You go out and do it with the focus being on the sequence and structure of each part of the show and deliver it to get the participants into trance and enought to get paid. That is all you focus on.

At this stage performance is not your focus.

You hone this until you have it internalized and don't have to think about it anymore.

You then start to build in your performance skills. Performance skills have nothing to do with safety. All of your focus should be on the mechanics for the first half a dozen to dozen shows.

Then you start looking at honing your performance skills.

To do it otherwise is jeopordizing the safety of your audience.

The more situations you do the quicker you learn.

Shrink

Just because friends or family may make it difficult for you to create expectation doesn't mean in fact it is difficult to do so. Its in the numbers of the audience and what drives them to participate. Within every family or group of friends you will find those that are driven or highly suggestable. Perhaps the problem lies with your expectations Danny and not with the audience?

Hypnotists expectations are far more important than the audience since they are what drives the expectations of those you have on stage.
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Here's another point of view from a safety perspective. For more than 20 years I've provided contract security people to special events. The most difficult groups always seem to be wedding parties. For some reason, being the bride is license to behave in a completely outrageous manner on your "special day." Someone else must have observed this as I'm told that the show "Bridezillas" is a big hit.

Without a doubt, the best-behaved groups are always motorcycle clubs. I'm not saying that they don't get out-of-hand, but for the most part, members of the club police themselves. These groups are extremely cognizant of the fact that their behavior is being scrutinized and go to great lengths to keep everyone in check.
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You know it is funny, I used to work onstage in a major theme park- we got many kinds of groups through, many of which we dreaded.

But the bikers were always the classiest, most polite, kind nice people to deal with!
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Great observatiom Leeping Lizards.

Will we be seeing you at Sturgis again this year?
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I agree about Bikers. There are 2 types though. The laywers who are bikers and like expensive bikes, and the dangerous ones. I have worked for both and never had trouble either way, but there is a huge difference.
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Also very true....
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