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kardillusions
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Does anyone here know who was first credited with the four-coin "rollout" move? Also, does anyone know if it was first done with coins, or with poker chips?

Thanks for your help.

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I don't know for sure... But I would be more likely to say it was done with coins first.
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Me too... at least, that's what I'd think.

So who did it first? Is that one of those "mysteries", like who first did a double lift?

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Ahhhh it's questions like this that remind me why I haven't updated my column on Bobo's in a long time. I don't have an answer for you, but here's a beginning:

The flourish does not appear in Gaultier's Magic Without Apparatus, published in English in 1945 and in French, I think, in 1914.

It does appear in Buckley's "Principles and Deceptions" (1948) wherein he describes the "let the coins drop into a spread, then roll them out" method, as an improvement over the two-by-two method, that he says he has seen "some performers" use.

That Two-by-Two method is what's described without credit in Bobo's MCM. (1952)

One would suspect that Downs would have claimed it, but it does not appear in Art of Magic (1909) Perhaps it's in his first book, Modern Coin Manipulaton?

Jean Hugard describes a rollout in Coin Magic (1935) but it's done by rolling the coins into postion one at a time.

So, it's hard to say when the flourish was first documented with coins, and by whom. I suspect that the use of chips, or "counters" in gambling goes back well before the 1900's, but the printed record of chip flourishes from back then is unknown to me. Maybe the guys in the card section know?
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