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Noel D
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Not the rope length, but routine-wise?

For my high school drama shows, I'm the entertainment during the intermission when I'm not in any of the productions.

On our last show, there was a HUGE problem (lead actor's costume got shredded because the shredder prop for one play was dropped while she was walking. It caught on her dress and shredded it, along with part of her leg) and since the show must go on, they put me out there to stall.

I did a 20 minute rope routine with just about everything I knew. It was a cut and restored/professor's nightmare/ring and rope routine that started and ended with a single piece of rope.

It got a standing ovation, (to my suprise) and it got me thinking as to whether this was a one time miracle lifesaver or whether I might be able to stick the super routine in my show.

It seems way too long for my taste, but since it never repeats, it might work in a show without the audience getting bored. It sure did in this one.

(By the way, we bandaged up the actress, and the seamstress grabbed a hairpin and used it to stitch up the dress. the show went as planned and no one knew anythign was wrong.)
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How long is a piece of string? Sound like you did well, which is what counts!
I'd like to know more. How did you transition between the effects, for example?
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Steve V
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Then again sometimes they applaud cuz it is over.
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To me, a 20 minute rope routine seems a bit long. Then again, you pulled it off and everyone seemed happy, which is what counts.

If, during your routine, you're involving a spectator, then 20 minutes with good transitions between effects, etc...could work out great, given it is NOT a single effect for 20 minutes. After all, that's what routining is all about. Taking several effects and making an act out of them.

Test it out and see what happens. I'd be interested in hearing what you find out. Good luck.

Mark.
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Hi Noel,

You could try it again and see if you get the same response. Personally, I think I would get a little bored if I watched a 20 minute routine of any one thing (e.g., cards, cups & balls, rings, etc).

Regards, Steve
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Hi Noel
20 minutes is about twice as long as I would do, but it was necessary, and who can argue with a standing ovation. I have always said that rope tricks without jokes, or some sort of narrative is pretty dry stuff. I have been performing for 20 years, and I have NEVER gotten a standing ovation, I'll bet it felt great.
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Not to take anything away from you, but I'm guessing the ovation may have had something to do with your age. People are kind of used to seeing lots of high-school performances that suck, just because the kids haven't done their work. When people see a young performer giving a truly professional performance, they rightly are blown away. You did good. But you might want to listen to the pros here who say half as long is best for your act.

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I had a PM conversation with this smart young lady, and I have come to the conclusion that her "mongolian pop knot" was far more magic that anyone in the audience had ever seen before, and rightfully earned her the standing ovation. I also have seen cute little kids at juggling competitions get a big round of applause when they mess up, so it is plain to see Noel D really had a good time that night. Airship and I just do not have that cute thing going for us.
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Hi al.
Noel, a young lady?
She probably did get the standing ovation.
Sometimes you get that kind of an audiance that just take a liking to your personality.
I'll bet she has some stage presence and charisma. I've seen that before.
I remembered watching a kid made a few mistakes while doing table hopping. They gave him a standing ovation.
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I used to perform regularly at a posh public school in the UK, about three times a year, for around five years. My specialities were cards and mentalism. I liked to always try and throw in something new when I visited. There came a moment however, when I decided I wanted to present myself doing something COMPLETELY different.

This is a long story and I am not going to proceed with all the details unless someone expresses an interest. The punchline is, as a personal challenge, the sequence of events resulted in me attempting to produce an HOUR long act strictly magic with rope, and subsequently performing it, (more than once!)

More details of this to come, if anybody thinks this might be of interest, rather than the ramblings of a lunatic.

Brian Caswell (www.unearthlymagic.com)
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How long is a piece of string? Twice as long as half of it. Four times as long as quarter of it. A pattern is emerging.
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Al, I am glad to see I wasn't excluded in your cute comments. I know some people who thnk I am just the cuddliest pooh bear in the park...LOL

Now back to ropes.If it is flowing, well connected and not repetitive and the audience likes it, go for it.

If it ain't then make it so and run with it.
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Why care about this as long as it works?!
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OOOH there was a really thoughtful answer that will enhance the edification of all who read it.
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There's a saying - If it's not broken, don't fix it!
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Good for you having the material and skill to fill in in a problem situation.

How long is too long? When it gets boring. When it is poorly done 30 seconds is too long.
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Sounds like you have a themed act! Bravo!

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Brian Caswell
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OK so I'm a lunatic.

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murf
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OK Brian, how about some details on that one hour rope routine?!

Murf
Brian Caswell
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Thanks murf, maybe everyone was thinking - what's so special about doing an hour of rope magic, doesn't sound unusual to me, sounds like a typical magic act!

I was thinking of calling the show "DO YOU MIND IF I SLIP YOU A LENGTH?" but I was advised against the title!

I have always taken to heart the advice that if you want to build a magic act, then specialise. I would love to know where I first read that advice but I don't recall. Then you are not just another magician, you're 'that guy with coins', or you're 'that guy with the light bulbs' etc. It gives you an identity. Fair to say, I didn't follow through, as I am presently known as 'that guy you've never heard of'. Nevertheless I still believe the principle is sound.

Looking for a new speciality away from cards and mentalism, I finally found a neat trick with two rings and a piece of rope that I really liked (sometimes known as 'double ring ceremony'). I thought to myself this is it! I bet if I learnt absolutely everthing there is to do with rope, I could do twenty minutes! .......

Must go now, but the story will continue later.

Brian Caswell http://www.unearthlymagic.com
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