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impossible man
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I have one manuscript that claims the Okito box can be as strong as the cups and balls if handled well, yet others on this forum consider it a substitute for coin sleights.

I have not got a routine going that I like, it's easier for me just to put the coin through my hand without the box.

What do you all think?

I think one clue is that I've never heard of an "Okito Box Museum."
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David Roth did miracles with the Okito box. It just hasn't been around as long as the cups and balls.
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Addtionally, there are some very difficult sleights required in some Okito Box routines. It just depends on the routine you are doing.

Best,

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It's just a prop. You have to be strong.

As to whether anyone cares about you and your three balls you keep taking out and putting into your pockets or the coins you keep putting into a box which, like the cups, is pretty much iconic/ceremonial... that all depends upon how you bring the magic to your audience.
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In the right hands the Okito box is a miracle maker.

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On 2006-11-15 12:27, Bill Palmer wrote:
David Roth did miracles with the Okito box. It just hasn't been around as long as the cups and balls.


Check out: ULTIMATE COIN MAGIC by David Roth, Vol 2:
http://www.mymagic.com/dvd/dvd-roth.htm

Magic with the Okito Coin Box
History of the Okito Coin Box, The Standard Turnover, David Roth's Variation, Louis Tannen Turnover, Two-Handed Turnover, Roth's Method, Table Turnover, One-Handed Turnover, Frank Thompson Turnover, Steal #1, Final Turnover, Standard Method, Method #2, Empty Box Turnover, Steal with More Coins, Roth's Final Turnover, The Roth Moves, Click Pass Move, Click Pass #2, Click Pass #3, Stealing a Copper Coin, Bold Steal, Variation of Bold Steal, Edge Grip Steal, Rim Steal, 4-Coin Steal, Slanted Variation, Scoop Stack Rim Steal Switch, Scoop Stack Variation, More Roth Moves, Friction Steal, Lid Load, Picking Up Lid, Coin Underneath, Sleight-of-Hand Steal, Classic Palm, Finger Palm, Edge Palm Steal, The Boston Box, Rim Steal with Boston Box, Producing Coins with, Boston Box, Shuttle Pass Box Switches, David Roth Box Switch, Spellbound Box Switch, Bobo Box Switch
The Slot Box
Out With Four-Four coins are magically extracted from a brass box one at a time.
Out With Five-Four coins pass out of and back into the box invisibly.
Okito Copper Silver-The classic transposition as silver and copper coins magically change places even when placed into a metal box.
Okito Triple Change-Coins change places before changing into completely different coins altogether!
Okito Box Through Hand-Four coins are placed into a brass box which is balanced on the back of the performer's hand. The coins penetrate both the box and the hand. The effect is repeated. Finally, the coins remain on the performer's hand and the box visibly penetrates!
German Box & Cups-Combine coin boxes and paper cups and you get this very visual and amazing vanish and reappearance of four half-dollars.
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On 2006-11-15 13:17, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
It's just a prop. You have to be strong.



Yes, Jonathan. I believe the weakness in my Okito handling (incidentally in my Linking Rings) comes from a minimal, rote-memorization of a few moves, rather than a real mastery.

It looks like there will be a lot of David Roth in my future, as I intend to expand my coin work in several ways.
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If you can get to NYC to meet the guy, see about getting a lesson.
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If your goal is coins, study everything that David Roth has put out. He is THE MAN when it comes to coin work.

If you can get a lesson from him, all the better. I met him about 12 years ago and he was (and I'm sure still is) a wonderful person. Very easy to talk to and willing to discuss coins all day long!

As with anything else...practice, practice practice.

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David Roths "Out with Five" is a very strong effect..

The handling is something that needs to be acquired just like anything else..
It is well worth the time I put in to the effect...

Check it out.

All the best.
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One of the finest exponents of the "Okito Box" is Mike Gallo.
Over the years I have been fortunate to witness several miracles
using the Okito Box and hopefully some of them will see print in
the book on Mike's magic being written by Paul Cummins.

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Just to second Woody's comments on Mike Gallo. Some of his material is also on the DVDs that were just released as well as some of Mike's earlier tapes. If you study David Roth and Mike Gallo you can't go wrong. Although I would hasten to add that David Neighbors also has some excellent material.

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What about original Okito material? I don't hear it mentioned or recommended around here... is it in print?
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Apples and oranges.
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Yes the original Okito routine was published.

Though it was not quite on the path that Milt Kort then David Roth blazed.
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I have the Mohommed Bey routine. I worked on it at an earlier stage in my career, when I didn't realize that all sleights might feel awkward at first, not just the ones that weren't right for me. So now I've thought I might want to put some time into developing my work with the box.

However, some of Bey's stuff requires a box with the lid and bottom pierced, and I don't want to use that box at first...I have a matching Boston I like to be able to switch in for my other box. But maybe I should get good with one box first!
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Okito box can do miracles, however it's not an ordinary object. If you feel comfortable with this, there’re lots of good tricks waiting for you!
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Let's not forget Marlo's SOC in Coining Magic and Simon Aronson's S-O-C-Thru in the book "Sessions" and I think also on some DVD of Simon's (or that he appears on).
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Hello Dean

It's good to get a box that "feels good" in your hands as regards weight and the fit of the lid. In addition to working with someone else's routine, just leave the box and coin(s) sitting in an area you frequent--on top of a dresser or near the T.V. etc.

Every now and then you'll pick it up and begin "inventing" moves for yourself. Don't be self-conscious about the box itself. Consider working with a slot box after you've worked with a standard box for awhile. I'd suggest staying away from more elaborate gimmicked boxes with special coins until you're comfortable with the basic equipment.

Have FUN!

Julie
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If you use sleeving or a topit you can also vanish the Okito Box itself, its pretty easy due to the heavy metal box. In the mid 80s I saw a magician do a routine with an Okito Box: he ended the routine with producing salt from the box.

Several different Okito Boxes

Okito Coin Box Routines, Bey
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I always get the two mixed up, which is the one that has that lip or recess for a coin? Okito or Boston?
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