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Josh Zandman
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On 2006-11-19 00:23, alexmagiclive wrote:
For the people that do not like it, I will gladly refund you, gladly, under a few conditions. You build the gimmick, you try it out, and you use the muscular techniques I teach, because then, THEN if you still do not like it, I will gladly refund your purchase, no questions asked.


Alex,

First of all, your conditions are unreasonable. You are asking people to devote dozens of hours to proving something doesn't work for them, when many people do not HAVE to go through all that time and -- cripes, "muscular training"?!? -- in order to see that something can't work for them.

Second of all, there are many magicians out there who will not knowingly purchase a product that -- intentionally or not -- is a rip-off. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you absolutely did not purposefully duplicate somebody else's effect, it is, even so, very much against some people's ethics to purchase such an item.

If you want to try to repair some of the damage you've done, inadvertently or not, to your customers and to your reputation within the magic community, you should offer a no-questions-asked refund policy that does NOT have such stringent conditions as "build it, train with it, try it, and then return it." That's a lot to ask of people who, either because of their ethics OR because they find it obvious that it will not fit their needs, want to return their package for a refund.

BTW, reading an effect and deciding it's "not for you" is not judging a book by its cover. That would be looking at the unprofessional packaging and labeling and THEN deciding it's "not for you." Learning how the effect is done, and how it is to be constructed and used, and how one must train their musculature in order to utilize it, is called an INFORMED decision. But if you believe that simply learning how an effect is done is "prejudging" it, I must assume, then, then you have purchased, built, and learned to use every levitation out there. Otherwise, in judging that your method has advantages over the others, your opinion of the others is similarly "judging a book by its cover" because you have not actually purchased, built, and trained with them all.

--Josh
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I hope your parents are rich. Remember Mr Icarus will not sue you, but your your Mommy and Daddy.
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On 2006-11-19 00:23, alexmagiclive wrote:

I personally do not understand why there is so much hatred going to this product. I did not do anything wrong, I did not steal anyones ideas.

It's not just the x lev, Alex, it's the fact that nearly everything you do shows a lack of research done on your part, and / or a lack of ethics.

Yesterday you posted a link to an EBay ad on this forum, violating the clearly posted Magic Café forum rules.

Several of your current EBay ads link to copyrighted material on 3rd party magic sites, violating EBay terms of use.

Previously you were selling someone else's coin through table routine as your own, on your old site.

The list goes on and on ...
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So Mr X appears on ebay. what a surprise.

Just goes to show Alex does not want to stop trying to ripp people off.

The illusion will NOT work as shown in the video. a kid trying to imitate the illusion on that video clip might injure himself.

balducci, In my early post my intension was not to get rid of the thread but to lock it before somebody posts something that the mods reallly need to delete it.

I and many others on Café want the X threads to remain.
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Do you guys belive Alex's parents know any off this? I doubt they would endorse fellony!
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This has all the earmarks of the parents in question having to stand up in court and say "we didn't have a clue what he was up to".
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That's really sad to read,i mean the whole story about this kid called Alex and his x-levitation.
His dying dream about selling a levitation effect he had created (who knows..) which should have better never been released.
My advice to Alex : Stop the distrubution and take it off your website before your dream becomes a nightmare.

-Jerry
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If I may offer something along the lines of advice...

Seek the opinion of those who DO know about what's what before rushing off to market. They can help you find out if you are working on something that is already on the market, been in print or in use by a major pro.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Imagien, all of this could have been avoided just by sending the trick to 1 (ONE) trusty member of the Magic Café Comunnity
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Can we please keep this going until 24 returns to Aussie TV next year? - it's filling a void for me - this Jack Bauer of levitations just never dies...
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Not to make light of any of this because it is very serious and obviously disgusting. But because of the letter in the effect 'X' I keep having this thought that if this was the 1800's he could be forced to wear a scarlet X around his neck for the rest of his days.
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I did not buy this dvd so I cant judge it , but I have something else to say.

I'm not saying he hasnt done some bad things with this dvd , but why all attack him like this?
I see these things a lot with big magicians and shops like ellusionist and penguin,, they promise something that you really don't get, and they steal idea's..and tricks...

here's an example: criss angel levitation,, in the demo you see him do a couple of levitations,, and 1 is where he has his arms out and he floats really high and he is surrounded,, ,,nice camera trick,, but he did not teach you it on the dvd.......

and what about the 3 ring circis bij jay sankey, in the demo he says the rings are examinable,, and when you buy the dvd he says it is examinable after the switch,, ......... itnt that a lie too?

why doesn't anybody attack him or angel?? I'm not saying sankey or angel is a lyer,, I'm just saying it happens a lot just to sell the product,, so why pick on this little boy......... I think every magician has been ripped off more then 1 time buying a magic effect or dvd,, right?????????????
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On 2006-11-20 02:48, Timothy Church wrote:

why doesn't anybody attack him or angel?? I'm not saying sankey or angel is a lyer,, I'm just saying it happens a lot just to sell the product,, so why pick on this little boy......... I think every magician has been ripped off more then 1 time buying a magic effect or dvd,, right?????????????


It is irrelevant if this is some little boy or not. Fraud and thief are 2 very serious crimes. (Fraud in the way he is promoting his illusion and theft in using someone else’s idea as his own). Pleading ignorance does not excuse you from the law. Admittedly, it is possible to come up with some idea that has previously been conceived, but if you are informed of this fact and you continue, your actions are inexcusable.

Your post also predicates the use of lies and deception as admissible tools for selling something. What utter nonsense.

Your reference to Sankey obviously stems from inexperience. The rings are indeed examinable. This is achieved by a switch as stated by yourself, or did you think magic should exist! Methods are never explained in the advert of an illusion. But when someone purposefully deceives the paying public by playing the illusion in reverse so as to achieve the result, then he should be exposed for the character that he is.

As for the Criss Angel levitation, the effect is performed accurately on the demo. Admittedly, the person in front of him would see how this is done, but still, he is accurate. No camera tricks are used. This is not the case with this little boy. Clearly stated with the Angel illusion is that it is angle sensitive.
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Hey Timothy I'm sorry but I find it very suspect that you come here and post on this subject. Your join date is yesterday? You wouldn't happen to be a friend of Alex's now would ya?

"why doesn't anybody attack him or angel?? I'm not saying sankey or angel is a lyer,, I'm just saying it happens a lot just to sell the product,, so why pick on this little boy......... I think every magician has been ripped off more then 1 time buying a magic effect or dvd,, right?????????????"

We are not talking about Angel or Sankey. This little boy is swimming with the big fish and has been warned to stay out of the deep end. Fraud is wrong, stealing methods is wrong. I just don't see your point on this other than to distract from the truth.

Sorry but that's the way LSI sees it.
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I don't have a lot of posts I admit that but Timothy Church's first post just happens to be about defending Alex? Come on, who can't read through that. Also, at age 12 you do know right from wrong and even if he doesn't there were about 100 people telling him that he was wrong. He still released it even with all of the posts explaining in graphic detail about why not to.

And I am sorry but this situation being compared with Sankey, Angel or any reputable magician is just ridiculous. I would love to say more but I don't want this thread to get locked.

Jerry
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WOW!! Very suspect, Good eye Mike. Join date was yesterday, I smell impostor brother. Lets see here? Now what are the chances of a new user (out of no-where) finding the "latest and greatest" forum and posting his very first reply defending the kid who took the place of the masked magician. There are about 60 different forums to choose from and Timothy ( first time ever on the Café ) just happened to find this one, and decided to post his "VERY FIRST POST" here, defending Mr. Ripp. HMMMM, makes ya think huh... "Timothy church's very first post"...... So Alex , how has your "Name change" effected your personal life. Are you comfortable Alex, oops!! ( so sorry ) I mean "Timothy" with the situation you are in at the moment. Timothy, OOPS again!! ( sorry ) I mean "Alex",,, you are making your self look even more scandales little man. Give it up Alex.. It is just sad how you have to change your name up, stick up for your self, and try to make this whole situation out like you are in the right. When will this stop. I really feel as though you are just loving the attention at times. You know what they call disorders like yours in the land of psychology? They call this brain disorder a "cognitive distortion"..This is when you start believing in your own lie's and start loosing respect for one's self. You have reached this peek little man, and all this before the age of 14. Your day will come sonny, I am just sooooo sick of trying to stop this. You should be ashamed of your self Tim, I mean Alex. What is your name , I don't even know what to call you any-more, this is how bad it has gotten....I am done..Have fun loosing out on a career I believe you could have succeeded in. You are a shame and a disgrace in all sense of both words, your name has become symbolic within the magic community as a fraudster, scam artest, and thief. You are the one who is going to have to live with this lobalization Alex, I mean "Tim" .....'PIZ'
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I don't think a first time posters opinion is going to make a shred of difference when it comes to what folks think about the X lev and it's "inventor".

The sad reality is that, as I said above, it's likely that his parents or guardians don't have a clue what he's up to, and he's pretty much destroyed any possibility of gaining respect from his fellow magicians.

In many ways a rip off like this will befall only those who aren't up on what's happening in magic (thank goodness for the Café) as it's highly unlikely that any Café regular would invest in this DVD.

Although I've met many young magicians who have their crap together, this chap really suggests that he is strugling with the concept of ethics, responsibility, and honor.
None of which is particularly surprising considering his age.

One can only hope it comes to a better end than it currently looks like it's going to.
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On 2006-11-20 12:32, silverking wrote:

The sad reality is that, as I said above, it's likely that his parents or guardians don't have a clue what he's up to, and he's pretty much destroyed any possibility of gaining respect from his fellow magicians.

Actually, at least on one of Alex's former sites, payment was made to an Paypal account that appeared to be owned by his father. I suspect they do know what he is doing, but rather may not understand / appreciate the implications of what he is doing.
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Alex's Photo after the sale of X levitation

Notice GWs sad face on the bill.


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