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Irishghost
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What state does Alex live in? Anyone know?
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He lives in Brooklyn NY
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I have seen still pictures of the DVD that are floating around the net and after seeing those, he is not ripping off someone else's effect, he is ripping of 3 different magician's effects...the first one is the Icarus effect, the second one's gimmick and how to perform it is a clear ripp off of Peter Loughran's The Elevator and the third is a bonus effect he offers which is the same effect as taught by Andrew Mayne in Touching Sky...

It's funny, on his E-bay auction for his levitation, he states in the FAQ part that you don't need any special pants, shoes or shirt, which is false according to his DVD...I don't think that I can post the link to where I found the pictures of his DVD, but if I am wrong, let me know if anyone wants to see them for themselves....

I know that Aaron has already called Alex and his parents, and hope that Peter and Andrew both pursue this as well....

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Hey Lucky, could you pm me with wherever you seen the stills ? I'd love to see them.
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........and with those still you will find that X is not only a ripp off, its UNWORKABLE.
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Wow small world Alex.
Hmm lets see who I associate with?

Peter Loughran, yep an ultra cool magician who will be very interested to hear that his elevator might be on your dvd. Think I will send him a pm.

Aaron well you know who he is, I'm sure.

Alex I have given you fair warning about doing the right thing.
Now I have been contacted by some people who are going to fix this X problem.
They have nothing better to do than see this removed.

Can any of the X owners confirm that the elevator is indeed on Alexs dvd that is the first I have heard of this.

The choice is yours Alex, tick, tock.
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Well I saw the stills and it IS the same Method.
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I have seen the still images also. It is not the exact same gimmick, but it is very close. It is homemade. It is basically the exact same method, with a VERY smiliar gimmick. The whole dvd is a rip off. It is a rip off of great magicians hard work. Someone should take some action in this.
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Nick LSI is working on this believe me.

A few well known members are working with in to shut the X down.
A legal way might prove quicker but now that I have seen the X exposed online who knows? We have a lot of angry villagers uh I mean magician's wanting their X gone.

Sad really sad Alex that what you have done is now freely exposed on the web.
Guys please don't pm asking where?

Alex You are hurting magic and the hard work of my friends.

If anyone would care to send a legal gift please contact LSI.
We must have a lawyer on the forums, I have all the evidence needed. A cease letter would be great.

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If this kid is such a rip off artist,why hasn't the Café banned his IP address. The forums I moderate, would not allow such a person to be an active member. I thought this was a site that prided itself on magicians helping magicians, not ripping them off. I really love it hear, and sometimes times I lash out, sorry for the vent. I will call Ms Sokolik tonite to ask her what she plans to do with her son.
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You cant ban a person from his IP address. If he uses a dynamic IP address provider, as the 90% of the people of the web, he will have a different IP everytime he connects on the web. And if he uses a static IP address, that means an IP that never changes, and you ban it, he could simply connect from another computer and join the cafè.

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On 2006-11-20 15:12, Irishghost wrote:
What state does Alex live in? Anyone know?

That would be the state of puberty
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I'm curious about something -- and this isn't directed at Alex, but at others here.

I'm confused. On one hand, I'm reading that this is a direct and complete rip-off of somebody else's levitation, and Alex has done something horribly wrong by duplicating it (either intentionally or unintentionally).

On the other hand, I'm reading that this is completely unworkable.

So let me get this straight. Somebody ripped off somebody else's completely unworkable idea?

If so, who the heck cares?

If not, can somebody please explain to me how a completely unworkable item can be virtually identical to a workable one?

--Josh
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Good point Josho.
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Ok, The Andrew Mayne levitation is 100% a rip off.

The Icarus, ok this kid lacks 1 part of the actual levitation, but it is the same principle

The elevator, Diferent house hold objects , same principle.

X-lev=Crappy Icarus + Elevator
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Josho,

I've PMed you with explanation on why I call it unworkable.
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He took the basic ideas of the levitations and combined them. He made them worse. He took a great levitation (Icarus) and turned it into something horrible. He left out a crutial part. Also, with the Elevator, he uses a gimmick SIMILAR to it, but does it horrible. It is basically three levitations combined all done horribly. It is a rip off of great levitations into one horrible one. I would sure as hell be very ****ed if I spent hard work on a levitation to learn that a 12 year old ripped it off in his dvd. That is just my two cents.
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Many thanks for the clarification, all. I see that rather than duplicating an existing levitation verbatim, he made a bad synthesis of two levitations in an obvious, hamhanded, and unwieldy way.

Too bad Alex took this route. His excuses don't pass the sniff test, since it would've been impossible for him to do just the slightest amount of research into current levs and NOT discover the similarities.

Rather than going for the quick buck by foisting off something A. inferior, and B. with certainly an appearance of having been stolen wholesale, if he had a truly worthwhile way to improve one of these levitations, he should've just contacted the creator(s) directly. He could've started to build a good name for himself in the more dependable fashion: from the ground up, making progressively bigger and better contributions to the art, 'til people started to be willing to pay to see his next idea.

Instead, he tried to ride the unfortunate current wave of disposable, overhyped, underproduced, overpriced, underwhelming DVDs...with perhaps the most ill-conceived one yet. It'll be a much longer climb up from here if he's serious about making a name for himself.

--Josh
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Yet another sad chapter in The Magic Café' experience, although I must admit this has been one of the most very interesting and educating experience yet to date! I've loved every mintue of it, the drama, the romance...okay so there ain't much romance, but who cares this has been and still is so much fun to read...hahahahaha...

You'd think this is all just ONE BIG JOKE!!??

But on who?????

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I may as well throw my 2 cents in here.

For some reason, Alex does believe whole heartedly that his effect is different even though I sat with him personally and explained it to his face and his "manager" which is also his "lawyer" (that just started pre-law)

*by the way-- it's illegal to claim that he is an attorney if he hasn't passed the bar. Pre law and an attorney are 2 different things.

When I first performed the "X-Lev" it went over really big. However, the way I was explained to do everything was kin to that of the iccarus. In essence I performed the iccarus without knowing. Again, I was new to magic.

After speaking with the creator of the iccarus hours before I was to shoot the dvd for the x-lev, I told alex that I wasn't going to be part of ripping off someone elses ideas. I'm really glad I had other people to help me do my homework.

This has been a positive experience for me. I now know what to do, and what not to do and have numberous contacts here in the magic community, and I thank you guys for that.

The flip side of all of this is seeing all the bad that has surrounded the release of the x-lev and how it has effected not only you guys in the magic community, but the creator of the original effect. This is a headache that Aaron did not deserve.

So Aaron, if you are reading this thread to keep on top of things, please do know this. I tried to talk him out of it. I tried warning him about the implications of what he was doing. Now the ball is in your court my friend. You need to do what you have to.

Alex.. this is for you... Despite my warnings and everyone else's, you did this anyway. I feel for you within the coming months because of the legal ramifications that you and your parents will face because of your choices. I also feel for you alex because you do have a great passion for magic and you have ruined it for yourself, probably for the rest of your life. But you didn't have to be psychic to see this coming. I wish you all the best in whatever career you will endevor in when you finally choose on, because after this, you have no future in magic.

And to all others here on the forums...
I appreciate the respect you guys have been showing me since my leaving that project. I didn't have the warmest welcome here to the Café, and I do understand why now. You guys have made this feel like home to me now. Thanks again.

All the best to all parties involved..

jon

P.S. Guys.. please stop contacting me about buying the x-lev. I'm not selling any nor do I plan to sell any of them. I am in no way involved with the x-lev or axproductions.

Thanks LSI for all the help
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