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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
And $800 more in your pocket to spend in Hawaii....
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts |
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On 2007-04-16 14:38, Slydini62 wrote: LOL!!!!! |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
But lucky for me I have all the ugly shirts I need.
He He, S |
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Brian S. Tanner Regular user 161 Posts |
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On 2007-02-23 09:43, Scott Alexander wrote: Well, I guess that would be my opinion too........if I was trying to sell a $199.00 cut and restored rope trick. Forgive my bluntness, but this is MY opinion ! Any magician worth their salt should be able to perform an entertaining cut and restored rope effect, using only non gimmicked rope and something to cut the rope with . Be it a pair of scissors, a knife, box cutter, or a set of FINGERS ! For $199.00 I can buy enough rope to last me a long, long time. I've been around magic for almost 40 years. I think it's a joke that some dealers and manufacturers try to sell over priced items to magicians, at the same time trying to convince them that in order to look like a professional, we NEED to buy this over priced merchandise. One thing that we magicians sometimes forget is this : The audience, the people for whom you're performing, only care about the EFFECT , and not the method in which you achieve it ! So whether you "cut" a rope with a $199.00 box cutter, or a pair of Dollar Store scissors, or dare I say.... your own two little fingers, the paying public doesn't give a frog's fat behind ! Finally, let me say this. I'm sure that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Kohler have invested time AND money in this effect. I also acknowledge that it is their right to market and sell same. I am in no way judging the quality of the product , or the materials contained within. I'm only giving MY opinion on Mr. Alexander's earlier post. I wish him well and success in the future.
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meyegr Special user Only able to muster 800 Posts |
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On 2007-02-23 09:43, Scott Alexander wrote: The magic fingers can work in a comedy routine. Now the the magic FINGER is a whole nother story. |
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Bob Kohler Special user 704 Posts |
To me the Cut and Restored Rope effect is a classic effect of magic. No doubt about it. There's also no doubt zillions of magicians have successfully performed the routine with the multitude of methods, ideas and concepts. Add to the mix comedy, presentational plots and proofs.
Personally I believe Slashed takes the C&R rope to any higher level. The gimmicked rope is examined during the routine using a great presentational ploy. The gimmicks simply allow for much cleaner "shows" after each visual that you can't do any other way. The cutting sequence in Slashed is also a brand new idea. It's totally believeable. The finger cut can work for some performers, I personally have thought ever since I first saw it used that it dilutes the believability. Lastly, Slashed is designed with Pros in mind. Yes, you can certainly buy a lot of rope for $200.00. But if you haven't purchased rope lately it's gotten much more expensive partly because it's HEAVY. It also takes up a lot of space. If you're a traveling performer having Slashed always ready to go in you case and NOT having to carry a ton of space consuming extra rope is easily worth the price to Pros. Add in Scott's handlings and presentation and to me it's a bargain. |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
Get real,
Sure anyone can do a c&r routine. But this one is 'hands off'... if you know what I mean. This is 2007, people know when you are hiding sh@t in your hand. S |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2007-07-10 08:22, Scott Alexander wrote: I think they know when Magi chowder heads like me perform that we're holding stuff in our hands. They'd never know it when they see David Williamson or other gifted performers.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Timm New user Las Vegas 56 Posts |
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S For $199.00 I can buy enough rope to last me a long, long time. I've been around magic for almost 40 years. I think it's a joke that some dealers and manufacturers try to sell over priced items to magicians, at the same time trying to convince them that in order to look like a professional, we NEED to buy this over priced merchandise. One thing that we magicians sometimes forget is this : The audience, the people for whom you're performing, only care about the EFFECT , and not the method in which you achieve it ! [/quote] I just find it hard to believe that someone who has been around magic for 40 years hasn't bought something that was, in your words, overpriced. I have had effects in my show that last 30 seconds that have cost thousands of dollars. I remember the first time I bought a coin from Johnson. My wife couldn't believe I paid $55 dollars for a half dollar! Also, if there is a great way to eliminate a lot of the "methods" to enhance the "effect", isn't that worth every penny spent? |
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Brian S. Tanner Regular user 161 Posts |
I just find it hard to believe that someone who has been around magic for 40 years hasn't bought something that was, in your words, overpriced. I have had effects in my show that last 30 seconds that have cost thousands of dollars. I remember the first time I bought a coin from Johnson. My wife couldn't believe I paid $55 dollars for a half dollar!
Also, if there is a great way to eliminate a lot of the "methods" to enhance the "effect", isn't that worth every penny spent? [/quote] Timm, I think you misunderstood what I said. In my almost 40 years, I HAVE bought things that were overpriced. It is my opinion that I do not need a $199.00 trick to cut a piece of rope and restore it. There are several ways in which to accomplish this effect, and to do it in a visual and entertaining manner. Again, without having to spend $199.00. As far as eliminating "methods" and enhancing the effect, thankfully I have my almost 40 years of experience to draw from.Even though I won't pay $199.00 for a cut and restored rope trick, I HAVE paid my dues over the years to warrant my opinion posted earlier here
Judge:How do you plead?
<BR>Defendant:I plead insanity. <BR>Judge:Insanity? <BR>Defendant:Yep. I'm just crazy about that stuff! |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
I have also perused all the present methods, and I prefer the freedom of Slashed.
Best, Scott |
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Samuel Catoe Inner circle South Carolina 1268 Posts |
Now you just need to come up with a close-up version of C&R Scott. I have been looking for a routine that fits my style for some time and have yet to find one. I have a method but can't use thick rope with it. Cored rope works but is just so limp it is difficult to see from more than about four feet away.
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
I am used to performing for showrooms full of 1000 people. But the gaff will hold up in a room of 50. IMHP it is the best for all occasions.
S |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4290 Posts |
I ordered Slashed and an extra gaffed Sharpie (I already have the complete DVD set and gaffed Sharpie that comes with the set)directly from Mr. Bob Kohler and look forward in learning Mr. Alexander's Slashed routine. His routines (in his DVD sets and effects) are always well thought out and practical.
Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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Mike McEathron Regular user Peterborough Ontario Canada 163 Posts |
I am going to ring in here. I see this post has been dead for sometime however I just bought slashed (Used--but unused. It is a well made and very nice set period. You have understand that your buying a solid 3 to 8 min routine even if slashed was 300.00 it would not matter Scott is letting one of his pet effects get way from him and making it available to the community as a whole. This is the same for The Final Answer and Velocity I own all three. The DVD are well produced and a Scott goes over all the ins and outs of the effect in great detail. I am very happy with the product and will continue to support anything that is brought out by Scott and kohler.......I would recommend this highly...Keep in mind it is not always what is in the box you pay for but the performace on the DVD and all the bits of business that have been worked out in front of a live audience over years and years of practice. Keep up the good work and thanks for allowing us to work with your prize routines........Mike
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
I have had a chance to see this and there is some problems I would like to raise...
Its not original... Its 90% straight from Tabarys routine, with just gimmicked rope. So your not paying for routining... More of this later. Also there wasnt really any original lines that didn't come from somewhere else so your not paying for the lines either. The add is also little missleading... Specs will examine the rope, yes, BUT THEY WILL SEE THE GIMMICK!!! Or at least one or two of them will. Then you just hope they don't pay attension on it and don't talk about it. I used this excact gimmick in my own rope routine for about a three months, in middle size palour and stand up settings and every single time, people came to me after the show and wanted to see the rope... Even when I used same methods to let the rope being examined that is shown here and some others as well. I had to change my routine to use normal rope because of this. However, this might not be a problem, if you perform just on big stages and people aren't able to talk to you directly after the shows. Its a good and commercial 7-8 min routine, yes. In that sense it is easily worth +200$.. But... I am sorry to say this, cos I really like most stuff but out by Kohler and Alexander, but this is way overpriced in that sense, that it is not THEIR routine to sell after all. Its 3 phase routine... 1st phase is straight from Tabarys act, 2nd phase is all known "ends off the rope" that is from Sands routine? (Popularised in Daryls routine first phase) and last 3rd phase is straight Tabarys melting ropes ending... It would be same for Mark Mason to put out Daryls rope routine with hyped add and no details. In reality the routine would be pretty much Daryls routine done with magnetic rope and price tag of 200$. Its a good routine and it would be very good for maybe 60-80$, because you get the rope with it. I also feel that there should be clear mention in the adds that it is heavily based on Tabary routine, cos Alexander says this on the DVD. For 200$ pretty much 3 phases straight from Tabary with just gimmicked rope is in my honest opinion just too much... I have to say that in that sense I was really dissapointed on this Juha-Matti |
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Mike McEathron Regular user Peterborough Ontario Canada 163 Posts |
Well You sound angry......Lets get the record straight this is s professional magicians private rope routine made up from part of other routines...ok I get it the fact is he released it from his personal act... and marketed is his choice if you feel that it was over priced I am sorry about that do you think they make the gimmick in 20 minutes ...not it takes several days to do....Do you think that Jeff Hobson has the right to market his own Egg Bag ?....A trick that has been around since the beginning of time ? I think he does it is great quality and you get some great tips from a pro. very much worth the 149.00 investment. You see Magic has never been about the stuff in the box, magic is about what comes from the heart and sole...if you have not figured this out I feel sorry for you indeed.
I feel it is a good solid reworking of some solid ideas...I like if you don't I suppose you are entitled to your options. Thanks for writing Mike |
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Zhang Special user 515 Posts |
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On 2008-10-30 09:36, korttihai_82 wrote: I totally agree with you. |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
I totally agree with you too!
Slashed is a synthesis of Tabary, Sands, Tarbell, Pavel, and a host of other sources, both in methodology and presentation. And they are, of course, credited on the training DVD. BUT.... it is MY synthesis of all these different elements, plus some touches of my own that make this routine unique. Especially the phase where the rope is hanging on the wrist and jumps on to the loop. Anyway... You cant make a cake without flour, eggs, sugar, water, etc. Although I didn't invent the some of the ingredients, doesn't mean I can't use them in my own recipe. -Scott |
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Mike McEathron Regular user Peterborough Ontario Canada 163 Posts |
Thanks for the chime in on this Scott
I own FA Velocity and slashed as well as Shattered I like your stuff a great deal keep it up and make sure and keep the price up as well it keeps the nosy people out as well as I don't have to worry about every magi I run into doing the stuff I do! Thanks again Mike |
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