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Hello

In my act, I need to change a normal red silk into a glossy silver silk. However, the only silk I can find that meets this criteria is satin which is also much thicker than the normal silk.

Is it still possible to do this trick with a dye tube or palmo?

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The satin will look all wrinkled at the end; not a pretty sight! Take a cardboard toilet paper tube with you to the fabric store and try stuffing various fabrics into the tube to see which ones come out fairly unwrinkled, or at least as unwrinkled as pure silk. Try not to get caught by the shop clerks. If you do get caught, I disavow ever giving you this advice. This message will self-destruct when you click on the browser's back arrow.
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LimHenChung,

An interesting thing about red under white if it is pure China silk, it looks silver grey!

Try it with 5 momme silks. Use a white silk that is dyed white (not bleached white). Blue oddly does almost the same as red. I have never tried purple.

Five or six of my costumes are silver. This has been used to hide a red or blue silk in plain sight!

I don't recommend satin.

Good Luck!

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On 2006-12-13 01:15, Bob Sanders wrote:
LimHenChung,

An interesting thing about red under white if it is pure China silk, it looks silver grey!

Try it with 5 momme silks. Use a white silk that is dyed white (not bleached white). Blue oddly does almost the same as red. I have never tried purple.

Five or six of my costumes are silver. This has been used to hide a red or blue silk in plain sight!

I don't recommend satin.

Good Luck!

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I don't really get what you are saying. Are you saying that white can be perceived as silver grey on stage alone or only with a red/blue silk underneath it?

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Use the red or blue silk behind the white silk. Just make sure that it does not flash. Sewing it to the edge may be necessary.

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If I dye a silk, does it increase the size of the silk?
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I just remembered a silk color change the MIGHT work with lightweight satin without getting it all wrinkly. The original Color Changing silk is the one Tarbell calls the Flash Color Change in Volume 3. No dye tube needed. An alternate visible color change could be had by making the handkerchief as described in the Flash Color Change and then doing the change by means of the method used in the trick called the "Zebra Silk" in Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic, Volume 2.
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Spellbinder,

Good Point!

The "pull through" type color change is exactly how I learned about white over blue is silver. Here in Dixie there are two football teams (University of Alabama and Auburn) with school colors of red & white and blue & orange. DoveLite Silk had 18" four-color change pull throughs custom made in China for a few magicians that do SEC Football themed magic. It is a double color change without a dye tube.

Another point: for walk-around magicians this is a great "tip-getter" and resets itself. (The folks at LSU love them too.) The Pro models are 18" and have nice big rings. They are nothing like the 10" synthetic toy.

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On 2006-12-15 09:57, Spellbinder wrote:
I just remembered a silk color change the MIGHT work with lightweight satin without getting it all wrinkly. The original Color Changing silk is the one Tarbell calls the Flash Color Change in Volume 3. No dye tube needed. An alternate visible color change could be had by making the handkerchief as described in the Flash Color Change and then doing the change by means of the method used in the trick called the "Zebra Silk" in Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic, Volume 2.


I am specifically looking for a way to do the color change slowly just like the dye tube. Does the method that you suggest allow me to do a similar choreography like the dye tube routine?

Thanks.

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Not really. The effect works better when done quickly. However, one more solution- use a really FAT (large diameter) tube as your dye tube to cut down on the amount of squeezing and thus wrinkling. Cover the large dyd tube size with a tube of paper or a bamboo mat.
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Not really. The effect works better when done quickly. However, one more solution- use a really FAT (large diameter) tube as your dye tube to cut down on the amount of squeezing and thus wrinkling. Cover the large dyd tube size with a tube of paper or a bamboo mat.


Ruth's dad (Harold Rice) taught me to use a magazine rather than the mat because it is an everyday object and it easily holds itself on the back of a chair. (It is also self-screening!) Of course, back then magazines were less than a dollar too!

One of the neat things was that the magazine could be selected to fit the audience and made the patter easy to change to meet the group. (I did loads of "organizational" meeting is those days.)

Hints:

1. The magazine about 64 pages works best.

2. If necessary, iron the magazine flat and then "re-roll" it

3. About the middle of the magazine, open it out flat and iron it open. It will help it stay on the chair back better.

4. If you will take a "Special Offer" post card and stick it in the magazine with a dot of rubber cement, you can make it fall out at will. It gives you a shot at some funny patter and is a little more convincing that it's just that magazine.

Good dye tube routines never die!

Enjoy!

Bob Sanders
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PS --- There are great routines available using the dye tube and mat as the Chinese Egg Bag that turns to color changing silks.

Scheme!
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Try using a palmo. Duane Lofton and Joe Mogar sell them. It has a larger capacity than a dye tube, and handles the same way.

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For a guy with a large hand, some of the plastic juice containers for kids make a great palmo. Just cut the bottom out.

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