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scaress
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Hi all,
Has anyone ever busked with these tricks?
Did they go down well?
I'm going to next month at Sundance, I'll let you know how it goes.
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I think they're illegal in many places...

It's called a "con," you see.
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I use them quite a bit and they go over great. I just make sure I get to know the local law enforcment and say things like this is a demonstration only. We cannot play for money as that would be illegal. Never had a problem.
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Thanks guys,
those are some of my fav tricks, and (it goes without saying) I don't hustle, just demonstrate.
I'll have to seek out some friendly neighborhood beat-cop and talk to him.
but what about the philosophy of 'easier to ask forgiveness then permission'?
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I do that too, but I don't think jail cells are that forgiving. I'd ask first.
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The problem is you usually have to ask permission from the judge, and in some states it is classed as theft by trickery and is a fellony. Better to be up front and ask around.
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Hi I have worked the three shell game as a busker over the years. I have never had trouble with it, that is not to say you wont the bottom line is if a cop cant work out that your not a performer then he should not be a cop in my mind.

The thing to watch out for is if a town has a recent history of con games on the streets.

1- You don't want to cross wires with opperaters and their crew.
2- Locals may miss read you even if the cops don't.

On a postive note, I found it to be a great way to pull a crowd.

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Never got a chance to thank everyone for the good advice.
I haven't tried it on the street yet, it's been to cold for me lately.
But when I do, I'll be aware of real street hustlers; although I've never in my life actually seen monte or the shells on the street, in any context.
I'm honestly surprised that anyone actually falls for that con game in this day and age. I assumed they went out of fashion with 'selling the Brooklyn Bridge'.
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I've done the shell game for 25 years on the streets. 3 times, the plain clothes cops tried to suck me in with bets. I told them it was just for fun. I'll even give you a prize if YOU win. They flashed their badges and said, "Keep it that way," and walked off. At least the Seattle cops are cool that way.
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If one were ever doing 3-card Monte in Chicago "just for fun", it might be a good idea to incorporate enough impossible card sleights so that it's very clear that it's a trick; i.e. the three cards suddenly turn into Joker cards, or other cards that were not part of the original three cards.

Of course, when one is doing 3-card Monte just for fun, they have to be careful. It's easy to end up looking like a con artist who's merely pretending to do it just for fun. A con artist pretends to have weaknesses in their routine while they are playing "just for fun." Then the mark assumes that they can beat him -- and when someone suggests placing a bet on the outcome, the mark is lulled into a false sense of security.
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Chicago PD stopped me for such games. Even though there was no con, I think they wanted a free show.
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I do a combination of the Bob Sheet's game with the red scarabs and Phil Cass's hilarious total psyche game, but I use 4 poker chips with different dollar denominations on them. I explain that I'm going to start them off with the money because I'm going to take it right back, which usually gets a laugh.
They come out of the woodwork every time I perform the shell game, elbow to elbow. Even had the cops stand there and watch with smiles on their faces. I do tell them in about every other sentence that this is a scam or a con game that they cannot possibly win, which seems to draw them in closer.
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Yesterday, I had a drunk idiot interrupt my show yellin' "come on come on, let's get it on"..he had a huge wad of cash in his hand..I started laughing and said it was just for entertainment and educational purposes and he should never play..he refused to leave me and the folks who were watching alone..so after I convinced him to put the money back in his pocket..he played me for fun and lost bad..lol..it was pretty funny, he was seriously angry at me and warning everyone I would rip them off!! Wingnuts..you gotta luv em'.. the point is that the 3 card monte really has never given me any problems..people love it, but it does seem to attract wingnuts..cheers
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Read the last paragraph in Harry Murphy's post, where he writes about being jailed for performing the Three Card Monte as entertainment.

That got my attention! I'd ask first.
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Good idea of Bill Warren's to hand out the cash to play with. As long as no-one decides to stop play while they're ahead! Smile


Perhaps you say "We'll be using foreign notes so I don't get arrested" to create interest and draw them closer, then hand out Monopoly money - should get a laugh and convince the law?

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BTW, I recently read The School for Scoundrels treatise on this and was amazed to hear of the leniency shown by the law towards organised teams on the scam.
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On 2007-01-26 02:16, bwarren3 wrote:
I do a combination of the Bob Sheet's game with the red scarabs and Phil Cass's hilarious total psyche game, but I use 4 poker chips with different dollar denominations on them. I explain that I'm going to start them off with the money because I'm going to take it right back, which usually gets a laugh.
They come out of the woodwork every time I perform the shell game, elbow to elbow. Even had the cops stand there and watch with smiles on their faces. I do tell them in about every other sentence that this is a scam or a con game that they cannot possibly win, which seems to draw them in closer.
Bill


The Phil Cass routine is really something to behold.

If you've gotten that far with the shells, good for you!
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Harry Anderson used to perform the shell game or the three card monte on the drag in Austin. He would actually ask a policeman to stand behind him to make sure he didn't allow any betting.

Afterwards, he would say something to the effect of "Well, you see I could have easily won every dime you have in your pockets. But I don't earn my living that way. I earn it from your generosity. So figure how much you would have bet me, and then put some of that into my hat, please."
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