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Today I did a 15-20 min. improptu magic show, just for the heck of it, in the open public at the mall. At first I got a decent sized group 20-30 people, and this old security guard told me to relocate in the mall to do my magic elsewhere and I did, and went where he told me to go. Well a few minutes later the same security person and another person who works for the mall had come over there and told me stop and leave, which in turn caused the crowd to boo them. I think this bothered these people because they began to take me to an office and get personal info and then have me escorted in their securty SUV to my vehicle, Wow! I performed here like a month or so ago and didn't have any problems. But this old man was becoming an pain and arguing and told me never to come back. I honestly didn't cause any problems and did everything they told me to do. Which tells me this old security gaurd took it personal. I am coming back regardless, maybe not to do magic but just to shop. This was a great opportunity because I got some recognition in a different area. I've never been kicked out of anything as far as I can remember, but this was exhilerating, I enjoyed it. And I will return to bring back the power of magic.
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Malls have rules and regulations. If you didn't attract such a crowd, it probably wouldn't have been a problem. The first time I tried to do magic in a mall well over a year ago I was asked to either stop or leave. The next time I went straight to mall services and got written permission to perform. The next time I went I actually got permission to perform AND film - so long as there were no store names ever shot in the film. A month later I got a booking from the mall, because my business card had gotten around from the original marketing director I had spoken to. Now I have a great relationship with the woman that runs all promotions and marketing at the mall! So if you handle it correctly it can be very beneficial. Just don't **** them off.
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So because you can't do magic in THEIR mall you are exilerated?

The power of magic? Technically next time you return to do it, now it becomes a trespass.

Power of magic? When you do things like this think of how it reflects on ALL of us please.
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Well to be honest I really don't or have not seen many magicians that do improptu like performances in open surroundings for long periods of time without stopping or reseting. I had a rush when I was surrounded by at least 35-40 people doing magic in the surround, that is what I meant by exhilarating. I did things surrounded that had angle restrictions to them but I pulled them off. This is the way "I" feel magic should be presented, I thrive in this atmosphere. Of course I know now to ask for permission ahead of time. But they were kinda of harsh. And as for giving magicians a bad name I live in a small community and these people don't even see much live performances let alone a close up magician, and I really, really doubt my incident today is a bad reflection on ALL of us, please.
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A mall is private property, so the security staff CAN kick you out for any reason. Perhaps you were distracting customers from shopping Smile
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Well I really doubt I was disrespectful or unprofessional to anyone, let alone my craft, especially when I was performing away from the businesses and not in front of them. Plus I had done this prevoiusly without any conflict. Yes they have any right to do whatever they want, but they were excessive in their behavior. I carry common sense, and from the get go if they would have asked me to stop or leave I would have, but they didn't and just told me to move to a less congested area, and I did what they told me to do. I love magic, especially in unpredictable atmospheres, and I am ready for any consequences that may come with that. And yes I do now know to ask before performing. No I am not renegade, but I love public displays, and if other magicians think this was a bad reflection on magicians, I think you should twice about that.
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Uh huh
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Maybe the mgt.was afraid you would end up vanishing 30 to 40 paying customers. Now if you had been producing 100 dollar bill for the people to spend in the mall...you would have been left alone. The sad truth is that money is not the root of all evil, but, money is the root of all!!!!
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OH gawd
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OH gawd


I second that!
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The issue with the mall is liability ... if someone were to get hurt during your show, the mall would be the one getting sued. It is next to impossible to get any gig in a mall without liability insurance.

I doubt that this will have any negative effect for other magiciains that seek to work that mall ... if it does, then they just need better promo materials.

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I know that the mall by my house (Inlet Square) for those in the know, could use a little excitement. It's alwasy boring when I go shopping there unless its bike week.
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When I made my living doing magic it would really p*** me off when an amature would come in and give away the service that I was trying to sell in order to feed his ego. No matter how acomplished he was, I felt that it was setting the value on all magic performances.
I certainly can understand and respect busking and working for hat, but working for free, in my mind, is the same as making a charitable contribution to Microsoft. If someone wants to perform for free, I believe that they should do in in venues where it would do some good .... at a charitable institution. There are plenty around without cutting into someone elses living.
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Why were you performing for free in a mall? Were you starving for attention?
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Why were you performing for free in a mall? Were you starving for attention?


Maybe like he said (if you read his whole post) he lives in a very small town and wanted to get out and do something. Was your "starving for attention" post really necessary ? Your post suggests that you are insecure by picking on others in here. doesn't feel to good eh ? What ? You NEVER perform any magic for free ?

Ever run into some friends while out and they ask you to do something for them. You start out and next thing you know, there are 20 or 30 people standing around ? Probably not, you are probably too busy at home counting all of your money from all your gigs. Jez, some guys on here are wound too tight. Why not spend your time trying to get youtube losers from stopping all the magic exposure instead of worrying about his need for attention.

I for one would have loved to have been there to see you perform some stuff. don't let the haters stop you. Just check with the owners first and do your thing brother. I don't think you hurt any magicians or out reputations. It is great that you are comfortable performing for that many.
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So 30 people is "performing for that many"? Lord you have some issues of your own.

Joe Joe hit the nail on the head when he said liability. Absolutly right.

JoeJoe, the only problem I have with these guys doing this for FREE as it were is this. After doing their free show, they want to show up at my shows, and be treated as if they are a peer.

Yes people must start somewhere. No doubt. BUT lets be particular about where exactly we do it.

Yes you go out with friends and suddenly are surrounded by people, it happens. BUT let me tell you this, I have NEVER just walked up unannounced and started working, and then took an attitude when I got told to leave.

See it is THAT attitude exactly that I feel reflects poorly on the whole magic scene.

Now lets be honest, the vast majority of guys doing these SUPRISE SHOWS, have little if any business doing magic in the first place. I am sure the guy who did this is an exception.
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Without express written consent from the mall supervisors, performing at all in a mall is bad. It's just like a regular store; would you start doing stuff in JC Penny's or BestBuy? How about Hot Topic or Finish Line? Probably Not. Even if someone wants to see something, you'd make it a tiny quick effect...just to hush them up...and tell them you'll do more when you're outside.

Malls are the worst, though, if you're not supposed to be performing. See, in a mall, people are going there with a purpose in mind: they want something. Even if it's to see you perform, if you're not suppose to be doing it, you'll get fried. Malls want people to go uninterrupted through the stores and walking areas. Even the floor vendors (small kiosks in the aisles) have clauses in their contracts that tell them they can't ask the passersby to come to the booth. If you go on your own, you'll definitely get asked if you'd like to buy something...but notice how you never hear from those people unless you get too close. The mall protects its potential customers, at the cost of your availability within their doors.
Just plain and simple: don't perform in malls unless authorized. (Rule of thumb).
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On 2006-12-25 11:35, SoCalPro wrote:
Why were you performing for free in a mall? Were you starving for attention?


Maybe like he said (if you read his whole post) he lives in a very small town and wanted to get out and do something. Was your "starving for attention" post really necessary ? Your post suggests that you are insecure by picking on others in here. doesn't feel to good eh ? What ? You NEVER perform any magic for free ?

Ever run into some friends while out and they ask you to do something for them. You start out and next thing you know, there are 20 or 30 people standing around ? Probably not, you are probably too busy at home counting all of your money from all your gigs. Jez, some guys on here are wound too tight. Why not spend your time trying to get youtube losers from stopping all the magic exposure instead of worrying about his need for attention.

I for one would have loved to have been there to see you perform some stuff. don't let the haters stop you. Just check with the owners first and do your thing brother. I don't think you hurt any magicians or out reputations. It is great that you are comfortable performing for that many.


I'm sorry, I don't have time to respond to your silly little post. Just like you said, I am too busy counting all of my money from all my gigs. You just hit the nail on the head. Smile

Ok, fine. Not gonna fight about this. I guess when you are as old as I am do it as often as I do, you really don't just go to a mall and start performing. I have never done this, not even when I was just starting out. I wasn't putting him down but I was just wanting to know WHY.
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I do not wish to argue about anything as well. I just felt it was an attack when you ask was he "starving for attention". You must remember that all on here are not pros and will never be.

I am glad that you are so successful with your magic career, I wish you the best. I apologize for my negative post as I do not like them. Cheers.
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No harm, no foul. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. Smile
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