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Ok. I have read about it numerous times in numerous places. I have read what is purported to be the "real work" (which seems ludicrous but given that it is such an old trick, I'll "believe" the method has been used or at least attmpted), but never have I actually met anyone who has seen anyone do it first hand.

Has anyone out there actually witnessed anyone who has done this unique, ledgendary (possibly fictitious) sword swallowing stunt? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

If so, have you any documentation?
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I THINK Dai Andrews does it...or at leat he claims too.


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It's an illusion. Iron/steel doesn't become visibly hot until it reaches aroun 1000 to 1200 degrees (F), and that's the low end of the heat spectrum. The hotter the metal, the brighter the glow, and subsequently the more malleable it gets. I work steel no lower than a bright orange (around 1500 degrees). These colors are what blacksmiths rely on to let us know when the metal has reached the point for us to do specific work. These colors are also best viewed at a dark corner of the workshop, not under the blaze of a thousand stage lights. At 1500 degrees, you can't hover your hand closer than 1/2" without getting a 1st degree burn. So, unless you can hover the hot steel down your esophagus without touching the sides, there's a gimmick. Also, a "poker" has a birds beak hook at the end, not something designed to "go down easy" nor would it come up any better. There ARE materials that you can gaff up to glow on stage. At this point, I have no idea..... maybe ask Todd.
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I have read (numerous times) about the poker and, yes, there is a gimmick involved--which seems TOTALLY impractical. But the heated, glowing poker is (supposedly) legitimately heated until red hot and swallowed.

This stunt was done in the days before today's bright stagelighting and candlelight (which can be quite bright) was the light available.

I am suspicious (like Nippulini) that this is all BS, which is why I am looking for real documentation to the contrary.
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Once you do please let me know.


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Don't take this for fact because I have never spoken to Dia about it, but I was under the impression that he swallowed a sheath and then swallows the red hot sword, thus the sheath protecting his throat. I may be under the wrong impression, but I could easily see Dia having the stamina to keep the seath down long enough for the sword to be heated and then swallow it.
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This is also what I've heard...

But, I've heard quite a few things about Mr. Andrews.



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Unless you have an asbestos lined esophagus, or if you are swallowing a lined sheath first it's not going to happen.

(This coming from a welder that has had far too many welding scars to count. )
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Yeah...I'm 99.9% sure he dosen't do what he says he is doing.

Apperently the "work" behind this feat is swallowing a glass tube beforehand (woah...like that's going to happen)


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I know the purported method and a few messages here are on the right track. But my question remains:

Is there anyone out there that has ever seen this done with their own eyes (and a real, red-hot poker as opposed to a painted iron rod)?
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A glass tube??? Are you insane?? First off, glass can shatter from touching hot materials, unless you get a Pyrex tube. Second, glass is a very good conductor of heat, so it really wont protect you. Third, ITS GLASS!! It can shatter at ANY moment and KILL you!

I think there was some good old falootin fun with flourecent and phosflourescent dyes and paints back in the day, if you ask me.
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Yea...I know...

But I do need to correct you...glass is an insulator...look at my myspace pic.
I play with the stuff all day long.


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Glass is an insulator of electricity, but a conductor of heat.

Glass also has a lower melting point than all but the soft metals.

"Red heat" comes in many degrees, and can be influenced by chemical composition and lighting.

I'd rather not speculate method, but the above are the real-world factors that would influence the risk factor of such a feat.

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I sculpt glass, I use rods and tubes with an Oxy/Propane torch.

Glass has to be 2000 degrees before it is molten.
I heat the ends of the glass rods by holding one end in the torch flame, the other end is in my BARE hand, IF glass is a heat conductor (it isn't) I would burn the Sh*t out of my hands.


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Similar to steel, if I hold a 12 inch piece of rod in the forge, I can still hold the end of the rod just the same. Steel has a melting point of around 2500 to 3000 degrees, depending on alloy. Steel becomes "plastic" at 1500 to 2000, which is the point at which most blacksmithing is done. I don't do glass and really don't know heat timing to liquid state, but steel takes a long time to get to proper heat. That makes it a VERY poor conductor of heat.

Brett, if glass liquifies sooner that 30 seconds, it is a very good condutor of heat.... think about glassware for cooking. Ever pick up a glass immediately from a hot dishwasher? Heat retention. Even if the act was done with a glass tube for protection, the glass would hold heat after the rod is removed. The only obvious conculsion I can come up with is an asbestos sheath swallowed prior to the act. And that comes with a whole different slew of problems
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I'm not saying that the way ppl swallow hot stuff is by swallowing a glass tube first...it is just one of those "explanations" that float around.

I use the Chemical comp. equivalent to Pyrex, that may be why we are having some confusion. To get "boro" glass to become a semi liquid it takes about 45 to 60 seconds for a 20mm piece.


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Wow! That fast? I wish steel were like that! Funny, we blacksmiths use Borax for fluxing out forge welds.

Hey Brett, you know.. a true pyrex glass nail would be cool, huh?
Just heat one end of rod and upset it onto your block until it forms a head, then finish the tip. As long as you really don't hammer it (which you don't anyway) it shouldn't break.

Steel nails must be heated for 5 to 10 minutes while vised and hammer into the head.
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I've often thought of pyrex nails...I think I just might do that!

I've made a glass sword.



Speaking of nails...I want one from you...I've got x-mas money burning a hole in my pocket.


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I believe the red-hot poker swallow is mentioned in Dunninger's Complete Encyclopedia of Magic. Not sure how reliable the method is, but if you're interested drop me a PM and I'll try to get more info. on it for you.
If it is to be, it is up to me.
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Daniel,
Who taught you how to Blow?


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