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gump New user 58 Posts |
I'd like to take a hardcover book and cut out the center of the pages to a rectangle shape that fits (or at least fits as close to as possible) exact length, width, and depth measurements.
What is the best/most accurate way to do this? |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
I have picked up some pretty big rectangular paper punches from Michaels craft stores.
The largest is 4"X3" which is enough to fit a deck of cards into. Currently, I've got need to go bigger (to make an effect in Jim Steinmeyers "Conjuring") and I've made a template that fits over the pages out of thin steel and am using an X-Acto knife to gently work through the pages. I'm about halfway down through the book (it's a very thick book) and this set up works just fine. |
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ToasterofDoom Special user 671 Posts |
I have absolutely NO experience at this, so take my advice like medical advice from your barber. I would make a frame, inside the size of your rectangle, outside the size of the page. That would likely cut out the holes precisely.
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Will the pages to be loose, or will they be glued together? If they will be glued together, why not use a block of wood the size of the pages and paint the edge to resemble pages? If they will be loose, you might be able to clamp them tightly between two pieces of ½" or thicker plywood and use regular woodworking tools such as a saber saw and an extra fine blade to cut the hole.
If you are sitting in a chair watching football all weekend, though, you might use Silverking's idea.
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Joe Mansfield Loyal user 227 Posts |
Some craft stores sell books made of wood that have drawer hiding compartments built in to them. We have a Hobby Lobby and Silk Tree Factory and they both carry fake books. Some are unpainted so you could design the cover however you wanted.
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
First read all the words in the book so they don't get in your way. That helps to make the book lighter, too. Then use some C-Clamps on top of boards to clamp all the pages together very tightly. On the top board, draw the rectangle that you want to sink into the pages. Use a drill to drill a hole 1/4 inch in diameter through the wood and clamped pages somewhere close to the edge of the rectangle template you drew on top. Use the hole to lower a fine-toothed sabre saw blade down into the book so you can begin sawing around the rectangle you drew. You may have to keep moving the C-clamps around as you work to tighten up the center as it begins to cut free. Don't loosen more than one clamp at a time until you are all done. Loosen one, move it, tighten it back up carefully.
Professor Spellbinder
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
My idea is similar to Spellbinder. After the pages are tightly clamped I'd use a router instead of a saw however.
Let us know how you make out. Best, Tim |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
I have done this with a box knife to "War And Peace"(not a first edition). It was a lengthy proses, but the results are perfect. I glued the pages from the inside after it was hollowed.
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Dave Dorsett Veteran user Macomb, Illinois 345 Posts |
I would concur with Tim Drake's idea to use a router over a saw. The higher speed and sharper, smoother cutting surface will yield better results. that's how we used to hollow out decks for the Devano style card rise and it works well.
That said, routers can be very dangerous tools used incorrectly. Exercise EXTREME caution!
Dave Dorsett
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
If you're going to use a router, you should probably build a tight-fitting box to go around the pages, instead of using clamps. Make a lid the same size as the pages that will fit inside the box. That way you won't have to deal with moving the clamps around as you rout.
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
I caught my beard in a router once. Nasty machines! That's why I prefer the sabre saw approach. If you catch your beard in a sabre saw, it just cuts off a little bit instead of trying to pull your whole face into the machine. A wizard's life is tough! However, the fellows with router experience are probably correct in telling you to go that route... as it were.
Professor Spellbinder
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Bryan Gilles Inner circle Northern California 1732 Posts |
BOOK WORMS... Hmmm, just a little sarcasm!
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
How do you get the router close to the spine with out braking the hard back cover hinge?
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Dave Dorsett Veteran user Macomb, Illinois 345 Posts |
Your top clamp/jig piece could go to the "roll" where the pages are and be thick enough to keep your router base over the roll. It could even be offset to allow the bit closer to the spine. There is no question it could be done... you would just need to take a little time to design your jig and choose your bit.
Dave Dorsett
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
How do you get a router bit long enough to go trough your clamp board and still cut deep enough in to the book? The router base on my Porter Cable is about six inches in diameter, the C-clamps wont allow me to get the router bit in side the rectangle. Are you sure you did the with a router?
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BSutter Special user Sitting on a pile of 582 Posts |
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On 2006-12-30 09:09, Spellbinder wrote: There is an easy method to eliminate this hazard, it is called a razor. Regards, Bill Sutter |
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
If you build a frame the size of the book, you can screw a lid and a base onto it, effectively clamping the book inside without using clamps. Cut the pattern you wish to rout into the lid, and use a long router bit with the edges of the pattern as a guide.
Look here for long router bits: http://www.american-carbide.com/Woodworking/RB.aspx
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
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On 2007-01-12 19:40, amosmc wrote: Unless you are doing more than two identical books, wouldn't it be quicker, easier and cheaper to use a straight edge and a box knife of razor blade?
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Dave Dorsett Veteran user Macomb, Illinois 345 Posts |
Yes, we used routers. We also occasionally replaced router bases with smaller ones made from Plexiglas. We would not have used C-clamps but would have used bolts going up from the bottom into the top half of the jig. Amosmc is exactly correct in his interpretation of how it worked.
If cutting them by hand is your choice, go for it. It might be cheaper (although most jigs are made from scrap hardwood lumber)and may be easier but in the end I doubt it's quicker.
Dave Dorsett
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ivfour Loyal user Texas 233 Posts |
By saying router, is everyone talking about a router that rounds corners to finish a board. Or router as Roto Zip tool?
Why could you not glue the edges of the pages and use a Roto Zip tool to cut out the inside of the pages. The blade cut around 2 inches deep. It has cut just about everything I have tried to cut. I have not used it on a book, but I do not know why it would not work.
Jerry
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