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Ireland
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Thanks for the time you took Truthteller to include the above information.... all the others have probably left this thread long ago shaking their heads!
You're comments were very good and I can 'see' how learning by doing things, manipulating objects or going on excursions would make one more of a kinesthetic learner. So yes I admit I was in error in my understanding of this term. I was taught in NLP and in this therapy approach, a kinesthetic learner includes the notion of emotion as well ( ie not only physically feeling an object but also how one 'feels' emotionally about the object). I overemphasized the second part and you're right, the learning by doing is kinesthetic. I think I was combining two steps here..... reading or watching a dvd would appeal to a visual learner ... it appeals to me....but when I take this the next step and start learning knots with my hands, I then become a kinesthetic learner....does this make sense?? Cheers.
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The "emotional" aspect of whcih you speak may have been taken from Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences - which is different from learning modalities. Also, there was a popular book a few years back on one's Emotional Quotient, which also, I believe, referenced Gardner's work.

I thank you for your post - and it just goes to illustrate the problem. Many people have taken the meaning of something specific and - perhaps based on its name alone - applied it incorrectly in order to rationalize their preference for DVDs over books.

I would rather see people write, "I find it hard to read magic books" or "I don't want to take the time to read magic books" or "I have a difficult time reading" or even "I just want to see how the trick works" rather than see "DVDs are better for me because I am a visual learner". The first examples are honest. The latter is a desperate and unfounded attempt at rationalization.
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I disagree that these people are dishonest or making "a desperate and unfounded attempt at rationalization." While I don't disagree with your statement of the academic definition of "visual learning," I do not believe this is how the average person would define the term. At a minimum, the term is ambiguous and means different things to different people.

I think what these people are trying to say is that they find it easier to learn from DVDs than books, for whatever reason. Being vaguely aware of the different ways people learn, visual, auditory, kinesthetic, they might say the reason they prefer DVDs is because they are visual learners. But just because they are not using the correct academic terminology is no reason to assume they are dishonest, desperate rationalizers. That seems a bit harsh.
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Soemtimes the truth is harsh.

"Visual Learning/Learner" is educational language, jargon. Much likes doctors and scientists use terms in specific ways, so do educators. If someone chooses to use the word improperly, then they are displaying their ignornance. When you look at the way it is presented, it is clear that many are using it as an excuse. As such, it fails because the "condition" they are claiming to have does not apply to the situation. They would be better served doing as you have written and simply saying, "I find it easier to learn from DVDs than books." That is an honest statement which could stem from many reasons.

But to say you are a "visual learner" is the same as me saying I am overwieght because of a "glandular problem". I am ascribing it to a real condition, defined by real words, in real ways - regardless of whether or not I understand them. The fact is, I am NOT overweight because of a glandular problem, I am overweight because I eat too much and am lazy. But it is easier to blame it on something else, and not take credit for it myself, no?
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Unless, of course, you actually do have a glandular problem.
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On 2007-03-03 19:07, truthteller wrote:
If someone chooses to use the word improperly, then they are displaying their ignornance. When you look at the way it is presented, it is clear that many are using it as an excuse. As such, it fails because the "condition" they are claiming to have does not apply to the situation.
But to say you are a "visual learner" is the same as me saying I am overwieght because of a "glandular problem".


I disagree that they are "choosing" to use the word improperly. As you state, this is a term used by educators in academic writings to describe the different ways in which people best assimilate new knowledge. While their use of "visual learning" in this context may indeed signify ignorance, I would say it is ignorance of the proper use of what "visual learning" means in the academic world.
I don't believe that they are saying they are "visual learners" as an "excuse." Why would they even need an excuse? They feel they learn better from DVDs and honestly believe this is what is meant by a "visual" learning preference. They probably don't know why they seem to prefer DVDs to books, and probably see no shame in their preference.
This is what distinguishes the situation from those who claim their obesity is the result of a glandular problem (and as noted above, there are some people who do have such problems). But for those who don't, they surely feel guilty for their condition and thus wish to shift the blame to something they can't control. Those who prefer DVDs to books, in my experience, have no analogous sense of guilt. Therefore, they have no reason to create excuses. If pressed to explain their preference, they may recall some discussion of learning preferences they heard on TV or read about in Reader's Digest and say they are visual learners. While this may not appropriately explain their preference, they are not being dishonest. They are just wrong.
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I just got a e-mail from peguins magic saying it is nobendzada's birthday.

Happy Birthday Nobendzada!
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Blah blah blah blah...how about we stay on topic, eh? I was over a friends house who just recently bought the dvd's and I have to say I was kinda impressed. I for one didn't know he could do much with coins, but after watching, he's been practicing a lot. Is the the next david neighbors? no. but is the dvd worth buying for a person new to coin magic and wants to learn a decent amount of sleights? yes
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Finally...A mini review!..Thanks, lunatik..... Smile ..
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Whether book or DVD is better is a general argument. I don't know why it started up and causes 3 pages in this particular thread.

I got the DVD recently. It is very well presented with detail explaination and shots frm difft angles. It also have a section only showing the sleights for quick reference.

I think it is good quality, good materials and good price too. Don't know why it causes so much arguments here (even before people watched the content)!!
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I finally received my copy of the DVD and here's what I think of it. The first thing that caught my attention was the production. The editing is well done, but the quality of the video is a tad sub-par. It seems like the DVD was imaged at a slightly faster speed than most, or perhaps the ISO file had to be compressed. This isn't something that should turn you away from the purchasing the DVD... just something I noticed from a geek's perspective. As for the content of the DVD, I believe Jay Noblezada is an excellent teacher. He starts off explaining why it's important to be good with coins. He then teaches you (in detail) how each palm is done, how to transition from holding a coin normally to each palm, a vanish for each palm, an appearance for each palm, and then proceeds to show various tricks and 4 routines. Remember: each sleight/trick/routine is taught well and shown repeatedly in great detail.

Would I recommend this DVD to anyone who is interested in coin magic? NO. The reason why is because it appears to be geared towards beginners. I'm guessing most of the people on this thread are already fluent in the basics of coin magic, and therefore will find the first half of this DVD useless. When I bought this DVD I was still a beginner in coin magic. I only knew the classic palm, finger palm, french drop, and a couple "put" vanishes. This DVD has taught me MANY basics, whether they are palms, transitions into palms, vanishes, appearances, or fast visual tricks. I have yet to start learning any of the 4 routines included (that won't be for a while; still practicing the basics). I honestly think that this DVD alone can bring me out of my "Beginner" status in coin magic. There is a lot of material to learn on this DVD. Once I have all my favorite effects mastered, I don't think anyone will be calling me a beginner anymore.

I recommend it to anyone who has a genuine interest in coin sleights, but has little knowledge or experience with coin magic. Hope this review is helpful to all those on the thread asking for a review.
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I'm still waiting to hear why a beginner should buy this instead of some of the already existing dvd's for that level such as roth's. that's why it sparks 3 pages
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Silence the sock puppets!

What's on it and how much fun is it to watch?
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I watched it and it wasn;t fun. but I'm that kind of way. I have a hard time watching some guy try to be a "kewl d00d" with the hip hop and coin magic
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Wow, three months and four pages of post and finally a review of the actual DVD. All the thoughts were well received by myself but I felt we got a little off topic for a bit. Anyone else seen or have an opinion of the DVD? Anyone?

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Barrett James

p.s. "I think you only need two hours now" is in the running for POST OF THE YEAR!!!!
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It's a great DVD with lots of explanations. But the only thing I don't like about it is that there is too much going on in the background. Nice production though. It's funny. My first time watching it, I used to notice all of the birds flying by. LOL
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I thought it was fun to watch and the explanations were good.

but there was nothing really outstanding on it and some of the explanations aren't the best and leave out a few details.

I'd recommend it to a complete beginner in coin magic though. It's easy to learn from barring the fact some of the effects aren't fully explained.
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On 2007-03-14 10:33, Joshua Barrett wrote:
I'm still waiting to hear why a beginner should buy this instead of some of the already existing dvd's for that level such as roth's.


They shouldn't. They just will because of the "kewl d00d" factor you mentioned. If you build it, they will come.
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I've thought about getting it. I don't care how much uncooler a video by a kid with greasy hair is than a dusty first edition signed by the guy who invented the crimp.

First of all I am a complete idiot when it comes to coins and these Penguinutionist DVDs nearly always teach you something you can get to do almost right away so that you get at least a slight feeling that there may be hope.

You may not use any of it a year later, but at least they don't have to many walls that seem unclimbable.

I also think it's a good idea to go back and revisit really basic things. Only when you know something fluidly already are you able to notice every little fine detail and notice things you have never actually done that way yourself.

Apart from that possible benefit, there is no reason why it should impress those who are already very skilled with coins. It's a DVD for beginners. Like me.
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I got this about a month ago and I agree with the above post. I Was just a beginer with coins (I'm a card guy) when I saw this and said "What the heck, I'll try it out". I'm glad I got this DVD. It gives you the basics so that you can get started with coin magic and a couple of good routines. Jay seems to really try to make sure that you understand what he is talking about in the explinations.

So long story short, I got it, learned some cool stuff and it has really turned me on to coin magic so that now I know its something that I like to do.

Great for beginners. If your well versed in coin magic, Probably not for you.
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The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart.
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