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DerZauberer
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I received my Vintage Cards today. The cards are exactly what I had hoped for. They will be used constructively in my routines. I really like how they look.

Two problems though. Although it has already been pointed out – the Ellusionist logo and barcode on the bottom of the box detracts from the theme of an aged vintage deck of cards. E blew it with this one. They had a great idea and screwed up the packaging.

Upon opening one of my packs, I noticed that they were not cut squarely. The entire deck was off when cut. The 6 Spade was so far off, you can see the printer’s crop marks and the 6 is off the edge of the card. I opened two more of the 6 decks to see if this was an isolated problem. The two other decks are slightly off square when they were cut, but it’s not so noticeable that I cannot use these cards. I hesitate to open the other 3 because I wanted to keep some in mint condition.

I emailed my concern to Ellusionist and they requested that I take a photograph so they can investigate the problem. They also asked me to open my remaining 3 sealed decks. OH BOY – the other 3 were worse than the first one. My photos will illustrate what I mean. Out of 6 decks, 1 is fine, 2 are questionable and 3 are unusable. If you bought these cards, I recommend you check them right away, if you are considering purchasing these, look at them the moment they arrive.

http://www.derzauberer.net/images/series_1800_1w.jpg
http://www.derzauberer.net/images/series_1800_2w.jpg
http://www.derzauberer.net/images/series_1800_5w.jpg

So much for E claming they have the highest quality standards with their specialty playing cards.

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Charlie Justice
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I too noticed upon a close examination that the backside of ten of spades is easily spotted in a facedown spred. While it may or may not be a good force card it makes for an excellent key card.

peace, charlie
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I ordered a six pack of these and I am generally pleased. Not keen on the big E and a bar code on the box, but the cards are great. 10s is real special, as it can be a face down key! Kind of a dirty deck card.....I use a pack of these in the Val Evans Stop Trick from Viking and in my presentation of my mental effect Cogito Ergo Sum....
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Guys come on...I have 3 decks of these and of course they are off center!! These cards were printed so long ago that the printing press wasn't as good as it is now...jeesh..

Marc
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On 2007-01-19 13:24, gobrownstd54 wrote:
Guys come on...I have 3 decks of these and of course they are off center!! These cards were printed so long ago that the printing press wasn't as good as it is now...jeesh..

Marc


Excuse me; did you see how off center my cards are? These weren’t printed long ago, they were printed last month! Aside from the modern day bar-code, the printers CYMK color-key is showing, so the suspension of disbelief is pretty much blown.

Bicycle took great pride in the quality of their cards 100 years ago, they were hand cut, so finding cards off-center were not even this bad. Its not the printing press you speak of, it’s the cutting.

I have defective cards – I was accepting of two packs that were a little bit off, but 3 out of 6 decks is ridiculous!
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DerZauberer

I am just joking...of course they weren't printed a long time ago...sorry, I thought you would see the comedy.

But seriously, that does suck...I have an unopened deck that I really didn't want to open and now I might. Make sure you post the fix that E provides you.

Thanks,

Marc
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The 7 of hearts is literally printed on the very edge of the card in my decks. While this irks the retentive side of my character, I'm not seeing it as a downside to the routines I'm using. I suppose that in with this particular deck I can "live with it" BUT I would still appreciate a more quality cut & print.

peace, charlie
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As far as the bottom of the box, could you not cut one off another box, stain it and then glue in place? I know it would not be perfect, but would hide the E and such.
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On 2007-01-19 13:43, DerZauberer wrote:
I have defective cards – I was accepting of two packs that were a little bit off, but 3 out of 6 decks is ridiculous!


Wow. You're more accepting than I am. I would expect them all to be perfect — that's what I'm paying for. Those photos you posted are making me leery of purchasing.
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In my experience with Ellusionist they are always top notch when it comes to customer service and making things right. I had 2 things that I needed to return before...one was a card clip, which they took back and refunded me and the other was a DVD which since they didn't carry it anymore, they ended up letting me keep it and giving me a credit..

djrdjr, you don't have anything to worry about if you have some patience and that is only if your cards are messed up...mine are perfect.

I have to say that does really suck though...

Marc
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Okay – it’s past my bedtime here in Europe but I wanted to show you this email I just received before I retire:

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Hi George,
Ellusionist will, of course, replace the decks for you at no additional cost. I am concerned about shipping to Germany, however, as occasionally customs delays parcels for inspection. If you are willing to wait until you get to California that would be simpler, especially as we are based in California.

Let me know what you would like us to do, and we will do our best to accommodate your request.

Incidentally, the matter of the defective cards is being addressed with the manufacturer by Brad himself, as we are not pleased with the defects. We expect better, and so do our customers.


Marc - I usually have a pretty good sense of humor and if I had read your post any other day I would have gotten the joke. But' it’s been a trying week for me and this was icing on the cake. I hope it did not appear as if I was snapping at you or getting personal – I am sorry about that…
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DerZauberer,

no big deal at all...I'd be upset too. I hate when you wait for something for so long and then it arrives and there is something wrong with it...especially so far away!!! I knew Ellusionist would take care of you...in all my experience's with them they have been nothing but top notch. If they say they will fix the problem, they will.

Have a good night my friend!

Marc
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Okay, just picked up 2 decks this morning at the local brick 'n mortar. They are perfect!

I am relieved.

--d.
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Bought 2. Love them!

Paid $6.99 each.

Anyone know where to find the best deal on a case of 12?
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There's a post by J Bayme over on Ellusionist's forums stating that all future runs of E cards at USPCC will now be done on the machines used for Casino Cards, resulting in an incredibly low percentage of printing/cutting errors. See the following...

"Guys,

We chatted this morning with the head of the printing and finishing department at the US Playing Card Company. This was a big meeting for us. Over the past few weeks, we've received reports of miscut cards. Some of these were just minor defects that did not render the deck unusable, but others were quite severe. As always, our customer service department has been replacing decks for any of you guys that have received a deck with severe printing defects.

We've sent every single reported incident to the USPCC. Every time one of you guys received a miscut deck (which was already extremely rare-- only around 35 reported issues with the Series 1800 out of thousands), the USPCC heard about it. Trust me-- we let them know.

This morning, the issue was made clear. Custom designed cards are printed on a separate machine at the US Playing Card Company. This machine, although equal in printing quality, lacks some of the quality control sensors that the Casino Grade machine allows. These sensors ($60,000 a piece) detect and prevent printing errors-- they stop them in their tracks. The Casino Grade machines achieve extraordinary quality-- simply put, casino decks cannot have a defect. Imagine what would happen in a high-stakes round of Vegas poker if a defect card was pulled off the top of the deck.

So here's what we're going to do. All Ellusionist cards printed from this point thereafter will be done on the CASINO grade machine. This will not guarantee 100% quality-- there could still be a mistake here and there-- but quality (and I quote) "should surpass 99%".

Outside of a Vegas casino, Ellusionist will be the only place to get custom cards of this quality. We're excited about this development, and we hope that this takes our cards up to an even higher level."
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I knew Ellusionist would take care of this problem! Bravo!

Marc
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Actually, you can thank Richard Turner for this, to a certain degree. He was at the Castle a couple of weeks ago, and during that time, he visited Ellusionist. David Blaine walked in, handled a deck of Richard's cards and realized that the Turner cards had the feel that he had been looking for.

Richard's cards are cut on those casino machines, with the cutting being done the old way, not from the wrong side of the paper, which is what happens to the normal bikes we have come to know and love so well.

Blaine made a comment that Turner's cards made his cards feel like, well, fertilizer. So now the Blaine cards are going to be printed on the same stock as Richard's and cut from the same direction.

I got three of the Turner decks a few weeks ago, and have marvelled at how nice they are to work with. They almost second deal themselves.
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Richard Turner is an amazing guy! I was watching the demos on his website and I was gobsmacked at his un-surpassed level of skill.

I also handled one of his gambler decks last week and I noticed a nice difference.

I would now like ellusionist to do a semi old deck... maybe a few face scratches here and there but printed on a subtle creamy stock, kinda like the texan re-prints.

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Wow....that is all I can say. (forgive me for going off topic here)

I have heard of Richard Turner and his quality cards over the years. I've never seen his playing cards. From the above 2 posts I found his site with google (www.richardturner52.com) and oh my God. If you haven't seen this guy with a deck of cards, you have to check him out. And on top of being the greatest with a deck of cards, he is LEGALLY BLIND! Here is a link to his site and a 12 minute demo that shows some of the most amazing card handling I have ever seen....and he's legally blind!?!?

http://www.richardturner52.com/performances.html

As far as his signature playing cards, I really don't like the look of them, but I am going to buy some just based on the reviews I have heard over the years and the video I just watched.

Thanks Bill for mentioning Richard Turner.

Marc
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Again, I hate the logo and code on the bottom of the box. Did it really take an extra month to release these cards and they still have stuff they should have re-thought? Also, the teaser pictures from the original proofs were perfect, they should have went with those from the beginning. The stock is okay, but I do feel as if they are sort of waxy come to think of it. Lastly, I like the cards a lot but I absolutely hate the "JB" hidden on the ace. When I buy cards, they are mine--they shouldn't be tagged with other magicians initials. Instead, they should make interesting ways to reveal a selected card--like the ghost deck. I hear after the first edition sells out, they are going to re-release these cards with some type of change(s).
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