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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
Just a question.
We all received a PM from Steve about this new and up and coming magazine. The thing that concerns me is that it will be avaiable everywhere, even in your local supermarket next to Popular Mechanics etc. Just wondering how you feel about it. At least with Magic Magazine and Genii you either subscribe or go to magic specific store. Any comments ?????
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
I had a great phone conversation with the editor today and he shared with me his vision of the magazine.
It's not designed to appeal to the niche market of magicians and magic enthusiasts like MAGIC and Genii are. It's not designed only to share secrets and information about the most popular magicians of the present and the past. His goal is to raise the appeal of magic as an art form in the minds of the general populace. This, I think, is a worthy goal. I miss the days when magic was a terrific thing to be doing. David Blaine -- regardless of what you think of him -- raised the bar of what magic could do for people. Personally, I don't like the current trend of shooting for the quick freak out instead of really connecting with audiences, but that cannot diminish the fact that our magic should be shared with everyone, everywhere we go. Magic at its best is personal. Like music, it's about heart, and feelings and moving people and something beautiful about being alive. I still haven't grasped this in my own show, but I intend to try harder this year to make myself the magic element. It shouldn't be about the tricks I perform, but about what makes me a magical person. Street Magic Magazine is about sharing the art of magic with the common man, not the elites who go to all the conventions and attend all the expensive magic shows in Las Vegas every year. It's not as much about tricks as it is about the art. At least that's what the editor shared with me. I am looking forward to working with them. |
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Bspaeth New user Tucson,AZ 19 Posts |
Sounds like a great idea from what you said carrie. Im with you in the statement you said about Blaine and magic. Cant wait for the detail on subscribing.
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
I don't like it and don't think street magic is cool. Busking is work and respectable at that. They say they will cover both.
A pitch is made for anyone to contribute. Get in now! Be the rep for your area! No writing skills necessary! "The only difference between those people who have been published and you is that they made the effort and an editor gave them a chance." I don't think that is the only difference. I don't want magic disseminated in a glossy magazine form on public racks next to whatever. I don't see it helping me do what I do. May be wrong on this but that is the way I see it. I won't be buying it. |
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts |
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On 2007-01-02 19:14, davidpaul$ wrote: This isn't completely true. There was a time recently (within the past few years) where you could get either Genii or MAGIC on the regular magazine stands at a couple places near me (I'm in New York City). Nobody ever seemed to buy them. Nobody was interested. I think a magic magazine that is geared towards a mass audience isn't a very promising idea. I think it greatly over-estimates the amount of casual magic fans there are in the world. This is just my opinion, but I do work for one of the largest magazine publishers in the world, so I don't think it's an uninformed opinion. Regardless of that, I wish them luck with the venture. And if it becomes a big hit, then that's great. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2007-01-02 20:25, Carrie Sue wrote: Then why are they aiming their marketing at the niche market of guerrilla magicians? By naming it Street Magic they are obviously attempting to capitalize on the current (but fading fast)fad of Blaine and Angel. Traditional magic enthusiasts won't be drawn to the title thinking the publication to be filled with self levitations and endless ambitious card routines while those who are into the so-called genre of "Street Magic" won't buy it unless it is. If they were indeed trying to elevate the "Noble Art of Magic" shouldn't they have chosen a different title for their publication? I hope this endeavor does better than the last mass market magazine devoted to magic did. "The Magic Magazine" debuted in the mid seventies and ran all of six issues before being gobbled up by a schlock magazine conglomerate that turned it into a cheap exploitation rag. If you want a publication that truly does elevate the art and take it quite seriously subscribe to "Gibeciere", but at fifty bucks an issue it's not going to appeal to many but the most serious students of the craft.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Damon Regular user 108 Posts |
Personally, if it’s really about the art, I’ll wait for their book, “Our Street Magic”. That’s a little joke for the Elitist’s out there.
With regards to Gibeciere, it’s a wonderful publication that also has a small core group it will appeal too, generally older and more mature, but membership includes so much more to broaden its appeal to any magic lovers. I wonder if it’s well known who one of the organizations board members is? Do you think his street cred would be shot if people knew? I also don’t agree with the whole (newsstand) approach to this if true, but it’s a free country, and people can follow their own dreams. |
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clamon86 Special user 508 Posts |
Isn't youtube, and David Blaine and Angel series enough for the world. So far I don't see a valid point of the magazine that hasn't been done before.
Magical entertainment is something special that should leave the public wanting more. Flooding their minds only dimishes the power we have on them. When the public sees David Blaine they think magic is about stunts or what the human body can endure. Then they see crazy scenes of street magic where they expect the camera to be doing all the work. Then they sees Criss Angel and assume that's what the "goth" side of magic is, and see him floating in the air. Then they go to ellusionist(first thing on google) and assume magic is limited to that website as their main entry to the "underground world of magic." Then they go on youtube watching only a few of the millions of videos and there perception is very confused. Is this magazine trying to sort that out or something? Magic is an art form in that every magician has a different way of expressing a particular effect, as well as other ways. How will streetmagic magazine improve that perception to the select few who buy it and possibly read it. just my two cents |
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
Oh man...I wish you guy's the best of luck with your idea for a new direction in magic magazines...however,I really have negative vibes about this.I hope for your sake I am wrong.
Are you sure you have really thought this through. Really?...A magic magazine that will be attractive to folk's that are not directly involved in the Art? IMO,other then knowing how things work,regular folks will not care... Yikes...I hope you are privy to something that has eluded me. Best. Rich |
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MagiUlysses Special user Kansas City 504 Posts |
Greetings and Salutations,
I'm going to go down in flames, but what the heck! Guys, lighten up! This magazine will have exactly the same impact that magic books, like Wilson's, etc., have in Barnes & Noble, etc. As far as I know, the impact of those books on working magi have been as near insignificant as to be insignificant. At 48, I'm not exactly a spring chicken, but I didn't get interested in magic until I saw the Masked Magician, and, for the life of me, the only trick I can remember him exposing is the linking rings. I watched every episode with fascination and discovered that all of magic is theater. Ask the next 100 people you meet what they remember about that show and they'll tell you the guy wore a mask. Once again, the harm to working magi was and is insignificant. If these guys can make a go of it and grow a new generation of magicians, so be it. I, too, am in publishing and have an intimate understanding of the challenges involved in this venture. If they make it, and it's a big "if," more power to them, and, from my persepective, I hope those readers are eager to do, learn, and watch a lot of magic. That'll be good for my business! I'm looking forward to the first issue. I'll snap it up at my favorite brick-and-mortar, and every subsequent issue, just like I pick up Magic and Genii. Will Street Magic last as long as Magic or Genii? How should I know! What I do know is that giving a bad rap to a product that hasn't seen the light of day is counter-productive. Slamming a group of people for trying something new is close-minded. Of course, I suspect these folks have guerilla and buzz marketing down to a fine art and science. The more magicians howl the greater the public buzz -- if magicians don't want the public to see it, the public will want to see it even more. Think about it! Joe Zeman aka the Mage Ulysses |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Here's my major concern...
Is some curious person going to be able to pick this thing up, flip through it, learn about the double lift, and then put it down and walk away without actually having purchased anything? If not, and it's just about promoting magic and magicians and whatever style happens to be "cool", more power to the publishers and I wish them all the best. |
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
I say more power to 'em. There's nothing out there in the real world that a kid who thinks he might be interested in magic can grab and feed his interest and curiosity. I have kids ask me every day, in the summer, how to learn magic, and almost NONE of them know about the magic section in the library, they don't know that websites exist, and don't even know that there are actually stores that sell magic, and most don't know that magic tricks can even be bought and sold.
At minimum, it may create more buyers of your eBooks, and at the best, the next magi-genius-to-be can find his way home thru the magazine. Trust me, if you are worried that some kid is going to nail your double lift because of the existance of a magazine, you're too late. Youtube's already got it covered, and at least the magazine requires you to be able to read. This will be a help to the field, not a hinderance. With any luck at all, the cover price will encourage the merely curious. Relax, it'll all be OK. Just hope that it maintains a quality.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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jclark Special user 510 Posts |
I tell ya what, if they catch your double lift, you need more practice. ;-) I have friends that are such workers that I can't catch them and I think I know what a double lift is. LOL
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
The double-lift scenario was just an example... While I'm not fond of youtube exposure, at the very least you have to know what you're looking for in order to find it. What worries me personally is if the distribution creates risk of an availability of our techniques to somebody who can just pick it up anywhere and be able to say to themselves "Oh, so that's how it's done." and leave it at that, with no commitment to even buy anything. I don't want to see our mysteries trivialized, even if they happen to be mysteries I don't perform.
Like I said, I don't know the specifics of this magazine's contents yet, but I'm hoping its more about promoting the art instead of dealing with the craft, IF the distribution puts it within reach of the average layman. |
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jclark Special user 510 Posts |
Korea, eh? I served there on the DMZ back in the early 90s. Had a lot of fun when I could get away from there and head south to the city. As one singer once put it, don't worry, be happy.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
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On 2007-01-04 21:22, erlandish wrote: My thoughts exactly !! Thanks for reading my mind.
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2007-01-04 21:22, erlandish wrote: I, too, will echo these sentiments. If they do let me work with them doing intervals or other writing, this will be my focus. Carrie |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Did I just get copyedited???
Ha. I think I need a shower... |
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Erlandish, not to worry. How it's done goes into short-term memory, they'll never remember anything. It's all magicians can do to remember those intstructions and we've got practice at it. It ain't like the Masked Magician Does A Comic Book.
I have all the faith in the world that these folks have the Art at heart and are on the good path. And you know that such a mag on the newstands will snag the next Masters of our art and start them out right. 70 years from now, some old coot will reminisce about first starting magic from this very magazine...just like some do about Magic Magazine in the '70's. It's all good.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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fbnc Loyal user Memphis 227 Posts |
I'm curious if they can pull off the massive distribution that it is going to take
to get in all the stores and newstands. I ordered the Impromptu Book Test from them and it showed up with .24cents postage due(the mailman let it slide). It does sound like a very interesting idea. Goodluck with the project. |
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