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Yes I got the manufacturer to make adjustments and replaced everyones keyfobs on the first run.

I now have it from three sources that thias is indeed the same units.
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Sorry to see this got you backon the Café shrink, but its good to see you here again.
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Why has Paul not replied?
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On 2007-02-10 21:33, JamesBiss wrote:
I was amused above when someone assumed "TV" was Dr. Ho's Tens thing... It would be most unpleasant to get zapped like that.



That was because I would think that anyone would be so shameless as to ripoff another existing product so blatantly. If it was a TENS machine, that would have been original and different and you could argue the differences like you did with the BUMA board but this is indefensible. Even when I pointed out the similarities to the 7th Sense you dismissed me outright and insisted that TV was original. The proof is above. I'm with Shrink on this. Your conduct is execrable and consistent with your prior behaviour.

I would rather be zapped by a TENS machine that to listen to your excuses.
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On 2007-02-15 05:15, The Doctor wrote:
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On 2007-02-10 21:33, JamesBiss wrote:
I was amused above when someone assumed "TV" was Dr. Ho's Tens thing... It would be most unpleasant to get zapped like that.



That was because I would think that anyone would be so shameless as to ripoff another existing product so blatantly. If it was a TENS machine, that would have been original and different and you could argue the differences like you did with the BUMA board but this is indefensible. Even when I pointed out the similarities to the 7th Sense you dismissed me outright and insisted that TV was original. The proof is above. I'm with Shrink on this. Your conduct is execrable and consistent with your prior behaviour.



The "proof" has yet to be admitted. This whole thread is speculation.
Shrink has never even seen a Teslavision unit.

There are so many people frothing at the mouth about James Biss. It seems there is some agenda here.

Everyone should really calm down until all have replied. Unless you all wish this thread to be locked.
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On 2007-02-15 08:38, Xiqual wrote:
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On 2007-02-15 05:15, The Doctor wrote:
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On 2007-02-10 21:33, JamesBiss wrote:
I was amused above when someone assumed "TV" was Dr. Ho's Tens thing... It would be most unpleasant to get zapped like that.



That was because I would think that anyone would be so shameless as to ripoff another existing product so blatantly. If it was a TENS machine, that would have been original and different and you could argue the differences like you did with the BUMA board but this is indefensible. Even when I pointed out the similarities to the 7th Sense you dismissed me outright and insisted that TV was original. The proof is above. I'm with Shrink on this. Your conduct is execrable and consistent with your prior behaviour.



The "proof" has yet to be admitted. This whole thread is speculation.
Shrink has never even seen a Teslavision unit.



No, but a respected member of the community has. He was sent one for review which was what sparked this whole thing off. How would you defend his actions this time James?
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Ok one of the reviewers has and has told James it is the same product except my manual is far superior. Also a major dealer has confirmed they are the same units.
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I'll withdraw all my statements if proof is shown. I am proposing a statement and an accusation. Now its up to the defense to provide proof as to the opposite. See other thread for specifics.


Posted: Feb 15, 2007 1:48pm
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Here's my proof:

http://www.scottxavier.com/Tesla-1.jpg

Compare with 8th sense that has 4 heads. The original 7th sense has 2 heads...

http://www.mentalismplus.com/8th%20Sense.htm
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Hmmm... let's toss in the Ceseral Invisible Key!!!! It has 3 heads....

What a tangled web - oh sorry, that's Mead....
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On 2007-02-15 13:10, Scott Xavier wrote:
I'll withdrawl all my statesments if proof is shown. I am proposing a statement and an accusation. Now its up to the defense to provide proof as to the opposite. See other thread for specifics.


Actually in a court of law it's the prosecutions duty to provide the burden of proof, and not the accused.

Either here, or on the other thread Scott...

But I must admit to wondering why neither party for the defence has replied to the charge...


Posted: Feb 16, 2007 2:29am
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On 2007-02-15 13:10, Scott Xavier wrote:
I'll withdrawal all my statements if proof is shown. I am proposing a statement and an accusation. Now its up to the defense to provide proof as to the opposite. See other thread for specifics.

I think the other thread has been pulled...
Good Thoughts.


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Expect a full apology soon from Biss.

Anyone thinking of buying a Telsa BEWARE. This is an inferior unmodified product which I can confirm came from the same manufacturer who we pay to create a custom version for the mentalism market. Anyone who has ordered with Biss should ask for a full refund.

Also the real value comes with the extensive manual which can only be got with 7th Sense. Which will be redistributed soon.
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On 2007-02-16 03:04, shrink wrote:
Also the real value comes with the extensive manual which can only be got with 7th Sense. Which will be redistributed soon.


AGREED!
It could not be better. I was more than thrilled with the product and the manual provided by Shrink. It was worth more than every single penny!

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http://amasci.com/tesla/tradio.txt

http://www.tesla-symp06.org/papers/Tesla-Symp06_Bozic.pdf

Isn't it interesting? How poor Tesla had many if not most of his ideas looted, stolen and never received credit etc? Could this be another possible in-joke ala the "sense" add-copy?

Nah. Its impossible. How could anyone who has gone through two bouts of being accused of stealing and ripping off respected members of the magic community - actually rip off something so blatantly????

It would be incredible! What sort of person would do that!??! If Shrink is correct and an apology is coming and it turns out TS is a ripoff of 7th Sense - an apology really doesn't cut it. An apology usually indicates besides being sorry - learning from the incident to do better. An apology would just mean.... wow... is there a 8th plane of hell!??!

JB - I really hope you have a great explanation!
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Shrink,
How in the world did you invent this technology? I am impressed. I didn't know you were an electrical engineer.
James


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On 2007-02-16 03:04, shrink wrote:
Expect a full apology soon from Biss.

Anyone thinking of buying a Telsa BEWARE. This is an inferior unmodified product which I can confirm came from the same manufacturer who we pay to create a custom version for the mentalism market. Anyone who has ordered with Biss should ask for a full refund.

Also the real value comes with the extensive manual which can only be got with 7th Sense. Which will be redistributed soon.
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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I can now confirm that Murphies has now stopped selling Tesla Vision and would imagine there will be more dealers to follow.

I also think its strange that Paul Gross has still not commented since he tested and sold the original 7th sense. Especially when he claims to be an ethical dealer and has stated publically that he won't condone theft and has pulled items from his site for much less violations.

Why aren't they defending themselves?

If I were you xiqual and have indeed put in your order I would ask for my money back you've obviously been ripped off.
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On 2007-02-16 20:20, Xiqual wrote:
Shrink,
How in the world did you invent this technology? I am impressed. I didn't know you were an electrical engineer.


I was waiting for someone to bring in that red herring argument.

You are suggesting that the application of a "found object" -- created and manufactured for a purpose outside of magic and mentalism -- that is subsequently applied to our little world, is not valid, original thinking and worthy of acknowledgement and protection -- such as it has become in our mongrelized corner of the world.

I suggest you are wrong.

To take your fallacy to its logical conclusion, you are condemning Max Maven as an imposture for having the audacity to release B'Wave because he didn't invent playing cards. Or Tom Ladshaw for repurposing a cute little ad specialty into the wonderful Sleeping Pill.

I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is not in service at this time. Please try your call again.

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Are you saying Max Maven DID NOT invent playing cards?
I'm crushed John, crushed.

All kidding aside, I have seen many thumper units before Shrink's 7th sense. I was just wondering what is the differenc between his and the other older units?

I agree, they look awfully similar. I wonder what I should do with my unit that is on the way.
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Well if it is inferior, I would sell it. Or send it back.

True shrink didn't invent the technology, but invented it's use in a mentalism application. True this signaling type has been used before in mentalism, but not this manufactured product.

There's a rip off of the Buma board, Banacheks Q & A, the Evason's code, MOABT, and now shrink's device with no mods to most. This is a shame.

This isn't flaming, this is facts...


Posted: Feb 16, 2007 2:29am
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And mindguy, we're not in a court of law...
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Xqual I think you should keep your unit. If quality isn't an issue in your work. Or Theft isn't a problem with your ethics.

However I would advise anyone else that this is an off the shelf product that you can get at a fraction of the price and isn't modified for mentalism. It also deosn't have the extensive manual which is where the real value lies.

Personally I would feel cheated.
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Scott: The Evasons invented their code?
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