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Bairefoot
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Hello, Everyone. I am wondering what would you do if you had a person or persons who was coming to your Ring Meetings under the influence of a substance. You know drunk, stoned, or high? Not just once but a few times a year.

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The offending person should be pulled aside by a club officer and put on notice that their behavior is not acceptable at a magic club meeting and will not be tolerated, especially if there are children or teenagers at your meeting.

If they then continue to exhibit their irresponsible behavior, they should be removed from the club. By their continuing to act that way, they are showing total disregard for the club and those who actively participate and they should not be allowed to stay.

One question that I'm curious about is where does your group meet? Are you meeting in a bar or nightclub environment where drinking normally takes place? If so, you might be paying the price for meeting is such a location.

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Thanks for the reply. Our meeting is held in an Auction House at the Myrtle Beach Indoor Flea Market.
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Hi Michael,

I should have realized that. I knew you guys meet there and have for several years.


Take care, Mark.
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This is simply unacceptable. I find it in horrendous taste, even practically unthinkable that someone would come to a meeting of a respectable magic organization under the influence of some controlled substance and not offer to share.
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I think I need to write somthing else for this post. One thing I have to get straight. I never said anything about our ring or anyone elses I just know that it happens sometimes. I am trying to write up some new lecture notes and one of the things that I am talking about in the lecture is Meeting Manners. I am trying to get feedback from other memebers so that I can look and research what others think. You know how some people are at meetings, they fall asleep, play with coins, cards, not giving the performer their attention when they are performing,etc. I just thought I would write an essay about it and pass it along to our club members and put it in my notes. The name of the essay would be something like, "Pretend it was You." I hope this clears it up. Thanks for the for the feedback in advance. Bairefoot
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Crystal Clear.

It would be a vary valuable point to make in ones lecture notes. Good Luck with you new Lecture. I hope you sell a thousand notes. Joe Smile
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Glad that is cleared up. I was worried that coming to meetings after a long day of work was being seen as someone that might be under the influence because I am tired. Getting ones attention is a two way street. Both performer and spectator must interact on some level. An analogy would be like being in a boring English class in High School. Make your performance fun and I doubt anyone would not pay attention. Now for the person that doesn't pay attention divert your energy to him/her that will insure that they pay attention. I know this will work as I have seen it work.
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Hate to tell this but, Munkywrench it doesn't always work out that way. I can tell this by all the emails I have been getting. Thanks for your input.

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We had this happen once. The guy was removed by our Sergeant at Arms. The man was interrupting magicians performances and about every other topic during our business meeting. Everyone in the club was extremely offended. Our Club President even had to jump in and tell the guy to be quiet before we could remove him. He won't be coming back. Especially since he wasn't a member, he was just visiting. After we threw him out, he went out into the restaurant that we were meeting at. The manager promptly removed him as well.
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Hey Dynomite. That is funny. Glad to see that your club took care of the problem. If you ever need someone to throw someone else out just give me call. LOL

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This is an interesting topic and it is sad that it happens. WOW!
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A Ring that I used to be a member of long ago had a spell of bad behavior at meetings, stopping short of substance abuse. There was very bad heckling and loud joking by other members during member performances. Anything that wasn't low comedy magic or a simple demonstration with no performance framework was subject to this. I think that this tone was set by rambling, disorganized business meetings before the magic. I don't know how you would cure this once it got established.

Our new Ring has the business meeting following the magic performances. The meetings have a level of formality to them that I think discourages bad behavior. So far, all performers have been treated with respect. They have reciprocated by being extremely generous in explaining effects, citing sources, and bringing in their best material. If we can keep this up, this atmosphere will become the Ring's culture. We have had new people show up at our meetings and join the Ring, and the I.B.M., on the spot, because they loved what they saw.

Once everybody sees the advantages of good behavior at meetings, members won't tolerate bad behavior. It's nice to know that we could get our Sergeant At Arms to escort somebody out, though. I hope that never happens!

Yours,

Paul
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What ifs:

What if there were no young members in the club?

What if the drunk or stoned person didn't interrupt anyone and always paid attention?

What if he/she would perform well and do a good show.. even stoned?

Whats bothering the members? The smell of alcohol or pot? Because its a social setting?

What if more than half the members went for a few beers before the meeting? What would you do then?

What if the club sells beer at meetings?

I think it depends on the club itself and its members. Especially if they meet in a bar or restaurant, in which case it shouldn't even be an issue with anyone. If the person isn't a nuisance, just let it be... If its in someone else's house. Well that's a different story.
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On 2007-01-11 07:18, drwilson wrote:

A Ring that I used to be a member of long ago had a spell of bad behavior at meetings, stopping short of substance abuse. There was very bad heckling and loud joking by other members during member performances. Anything that wasn't low comedy magic or a simple demonstration with no performance framework was subject to this. I think that this tone was set by rambling, disorganized business meetings before the magic. I don't know how you would cure this once it got established.



So you've been to our ring then?
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Dear Payne,

You have a strong need to be liked by other people...

Yours,

Paul
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Our magic clubs met for a long time at the meeting hall of a fraternal organization. There was an open bar. It was not uncommon for the members to have a drink or two before or during the meeting. However, it was an unspoken rule that drunkenness would not be tolerated. So nobody got drunk. That happened after the meetings.

Some of the members behave worse, now that we are no longer meeting in the bar.

Regarding the use of marijuana. That's a touchy subject. If someone comes into a club meeting reeking of marijuana, and one of the members is a police officer, it may lead to a bust, and from that a possible problem between the club and the authorities. It's best to leave illegal substances at home.

Laws are much more lax now than they were during the 1960's. But there are hundreds of people whose lives were ruined because they were in the same room with someone who possessed marijuana. I have a friend who did three years at the state penitentiary in Huntsville on just such a charge. Did he blame the police? No. He told me this: "I knew it was illegal to be in the same room with him. I knew the cops had busted people like this before. I was stupid. I didn't get out when he brought out the first joint. I did my time. Now, I'm still paying for it."

Ironically, the law he was busted on was the Harrisson act. It has been since declared unconstitutional because it is considered to be self-incriminatory. But Buddy doesn't get his three years back.

So, why risk it?
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The key note here is protocol of the ring. By having a set formal meeting format members knbow what to expect and how to act. The image that is set by the other members will tell the other memebers how to act. We at our ring Like so many others meet in a place where food and drink is available and the food part is encouraged prior to the meeting. However our membership for the largest part sets a high standard of conduct that is instilled on everyone as they become members.
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Wow! Thanks for all the help fellows.

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Drunken magicians? Shocking. Who would have guessed that magicians like alcohol, it is practically unheard of in the magic world. <tongue-in-cheek for the humor impaired.>
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