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truthteller
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The point was not clear in your first post. Ah, the joys of internet communication. Thanks for clearing that up.
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On 2007-01-28 17:27, bsears wrote:
I will say that there is one "big name" that I have never seen sober, and it bothers me. His name is Steve Barbetzee or something like that. I swear this guy is loaded at every convention he works. His speech is so slurred you can hardly tell what he's saying most of the time. His friends should do an intervention.


It really reads like you are serious..I cant even detect one hint of sarcasm.. Anyways.. Glad we cleared that up......
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Yeah, I thought it would be so over-the-top that the tongue-in-cheek would be hard to miss. Never seems to work like that in text Smile I can assure you my intentions were not malicious in the least.
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Bsears, for what it's worth, although I don't know Steve, the second people started describing his condition, I realized instantly the real point of your post. So at least somebody "got it."
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With all due respect, driving a school bus is not showbusiness...

Never mind the drinking magician, I think we need to talk to this person driving the school bus after a few. 8^)
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I think it boils down to this the comfort/needs of the many out weights that of the few. If someone can't conduct himself or herself in such away that is respectful to everyone else than why should everyone (the group the many) tolerate them? Remove them and continue to remove them each and every time until the get it right.
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I didn't know that South Carolina allowed socialists to live in Rock Hill. Cool. Smile
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Hey Tony. It was nice to see you the other night at the meeting. I hoped you liked the 4 Ace trick.

Bairefoot
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Hi Michael,

Thank you, it was good to be seen. But seriously… it always feels like coming home when I am there.

I have always been a fan of the “Leader Cards” effects.

Talk to you soon,

Tony
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I never perform drunk, but usually conventions and lectures are a time for me to let my hair down, relax and enjoy my favourite thing, magic. To be honest most of the people I hang-out with at conventions start drinking as soon as they get up and don't interupt performances or lectures. It's an excuse. People who are disrespectful at these times would still be disrespectful whether there are coming up or down, drunk, stoned or sober. People who continually do it might have a genuine problem with drugs or other substances. I don't bother people and I'm always polite. I think it'd more to do with the person

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Today our Board approved a new section of our Policy and Program Manual dealing with this issue as part of a larger policy on member conduct. I hope that other Rings will be able to use this as a guide to their policy. Please see:

http://www.ibmring362.org/policyandprogram2007.html#conduct

Yours,

Paul
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Thank you DRwilson. May I use some of this in my writing?

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Dear Bairefoot,

Absolutely. Anyone from any magic club can use any of this. There are a couple of things that are specific to our Ring, like which part of the Bylaws deals with removal of officers, and suspension and expulsion of members. The nature of the contests is also specific to our Ring. I suspect that most of the rest would transport well to most other magic clubs.

Yours,

Paul
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Ok I've been to a meeting drunk. But guess what. Nobody noticed. Or at least nobody said anything. And for a good reason. I wasn't being a nuisance.

I know a few people in our Ring who are annoying and loud and obnoxious and make stupid comments at regular intervals. But is alcohol or drugs really a factor? No. That's the point.

Those substances are just one of many, many personal choices. The bottom line is, if a person is disrespectful, then they are what they are. Do you kick people out of your meeting for wearing trashy clothing? Of course not. But it's a personal choice. The real issue is about prejudice. To find out what should be done in those situations, you must first determine what is collectively "right" or "wrong".

Maybe you were raised believing drugs and alcohol are wrong. But guess what....It's not your call to make. Until those people become a nuisance regardless of substance abuse, that is when anyone should be able to ask them to leave. Until then, mind your own business.

I ride the bus everyday. I see people on every available drug daily! (Vanier!) But that doesn't deter me from taking the bus. That doesn't even affect the view I have of that person! Someone is not inherently "bad" because they smoke crack or shoot up in the morning. I am able to understand that those people are a result of their surroundings and upbringing. It's too bad they weren't raised by some of you so they could be just as close-minded and prejudiced!

Think about it.
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We did think about it. That's why our policy addresses behavior at Ring meetings, contests, and public shows, not whether someone shows up drunk and sits there quietly. We are more concerned with people who are jerks, whether or not that problem is connected to substance abuse.

Yours,

Paul
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Does your policy cover people talking loudly while others perform? What if they were talking loudly during the business discussion for the ring?
Do you get a majority vote?
What if this has been presented before the board members.
What if a member tries to pick a fight at a public show.

These are all good questions. Everyone has their way of handling situations.

How would your club take action?
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Thanks for the link...again drwilson. Smile
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On 2007-03-04 19:52, sclitsome wrote:
Ok I've been to a meeting drunk. But guess what. Nobody noticed. Or at least nobody said anything. And for a good reason. I wasn't being a nuisance.


Those substances are just one of many, many personal choices.

Maybe you were raised believing drugs and alcohol are wrong. But guess what....It's not your call to make.

It's too bad they weren't raised by some of you so they could be just as close-minded and prejudiced!

Think about it.

I cut out some parts of the post you wrote just to get to the point I believe you were trying to make. I hope I did not take you too far out of context, if so I apologize.

So now, ok, I thought about it. And it is there call to make!

Use of illegal substances are, well, illegal. Public intoxication is, illegal. If an organization or business is allowing individuals to break the law then they are subject to the laws applicable to them.

It's not about predjudice, it's about an organization upholding standards.
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I agree. It's amazing to me the lengths some people go to in order to justify their own actions!

If you show up at a meeting drunk, and nobody notices, what is that supposed to say? Do you not have more respect for yourself, or those you are around, than that?

What a ridiculous statement to make. If this is normal behavior, I can only hope you get the treatment you obviously need before it's too late.

Mark.
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