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Jim Poor
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I've been watching a few rope DVDs (Fiber Optics and a few others) and I was wondering what the general perceptions are related to scissors or no scissors.

One is obviously a bit safer, but with a bit of care, there shouldn't be an issue anyway.

Does "cutting" the rope with your fingers give anything away?

Just curious.
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In my opinion, cutting with the fingers is "just too much"! I use a pair of scissors even when the method doesn't require them. On the other hand, my opinion could easily be formed by the fact that I know what's going on. It really depends on your audience, but the only way to find out that using just the fingers gives it away for a particular audience is to try and watch their faces --- and if they do catch on, it's too late to bring out the scissors. So why take a chance? I guess the real question should be "Does cutting with the fingers enhance the effect, and if so, does it enhance it enough to risk exposing the method to the quicker folks in the audience?"

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Weather you are using scissors, or not it is all about your timing. There are no pauses, and no time for the audience to think about what is really going on in cut, and restore. Go look at the Richard Sanders DVD, and watch how fast he works. He makes it look like the rope is just jumping out of his hands, while he giggles. If done right the trick should be a fantasy ride.
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George Sands developed his "no-scissor-cut" routine to conserve on rope! (..and to avoid needing to carry a scissor, I imagine.)

In any case, it's a time-tested audience pleaser and has baffled thousands over the years.

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I find it hard to do a "scissors" cut with fiber optics, owing to a shortage of hands.
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It does risk giving away what you're doing, but if you routine properly you can still start and end clean and examinable. There's also nothing that says that it has to be an open no-scissors cut -- you can arrange the work and pull out the scissors and pretend to cut (ala Tabary), which lets you have the added benefit of appearing to make a legitimate cut while still being able to save rope.
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This is a question I asked myself here on the Café a long time ago and most said you should use scissors even if you don't really cut the rope with them.
having said that I see people using moves which to me totally give away the method,a good example being the richard sanders move super slide where the ends slide down the length of rope from fiber optics.
don't get me wrong I think most of richard sanders material is outstanding but that just gives it all away much more so I believe than using a finger cut.
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In my opinion scissors or a knife makes the cut more real.
One idea I was thinking about was to use a laser pen.
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Hi jaz,
I also thought about using a laser pen,great minds think alike I guess.
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Francis Tabary snips his scissors once in his (WGM/FISM) routine. Check it out - it's one of the best. Cheers.
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Using your fingers to do the cutting adds a "HOLY COW!" element to the magic. It is supposed to be fun and weird stuff is supposed to happen that you can't explain. That is magic! If you restore the rope, why can't you cut without scissors? There should be no rules in how far out magic can be. You the performer are doing the impossible! Smile

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I have really wrestled with this question. I have used the scissors or knife, I have "karate chopped" the rope, and I have "magically" cut the rope in a slow, mysterious way.
This last tactic is described by Daryl in "Great White Rope" as a way of transitioning to the prof. nightmare setup with three pieces. I have gotten good audience reactions out of all three approaches. So much so that I cant really tell if there is an "impact gap" from one to the other.
Timing and how crucial the cut is to the routine is part of the answer, I think. If I was just going to cut and restore...I would use the knife as the cutting is half the equation! In a more diverse routine, however, the alternatives may flow faster and facilitate the whole more easily.
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Jim
This is magic, and there are no rules.
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On 2007-02-23 14:32, Al Angello wrote:
Jim
This is magic, and there are no rules.
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What he said...

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Magic has lots of rules. Pick one or break one.
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What in your guys' opinions is the best way to do a fake scissors cut? Basically, substituting the finger scissors cut with something that looks like you're actually cutting it?

The only method I'm aware of is Tabary's, and it's a little too clean, in my opinion.
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If you are doing a Magic trick with a rope and you can restore it without tape or glue, shouldn't you also have the power to cut it without scissors?
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On 2007-02-27 09:37, Cabrera wrote:
If you are doing a Magic trick with a rope and you can restore it without tape or glue, shouldn't you also have the power to cut it without scissors?


Exactly!
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On 2007-02-23 15:04, Whit Haydn wrote:
Magic has lots of rules. Pick one or break one.


Is that a rule? Smile



I like to cut it. I get better reactions to actually cut rope than otherwise, however I am not very good.

Also I like to use scissors because I can do my take on the ring and rope routine with them. It would seem odd to have scissors only to cut with my finger.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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