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tankk New user 55 Posts |
I just started doing this one day for fun and I almost got it down. What I would like to know are there any routines or reasons to learn this besides just doing it for fun.
Kevin |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Hi Tankk,
Yes there are. I have a coin roll change using it! It's in my frist book "Coinjuring" It is also a nice sell that the hand is empty in a coins across! Best David Neighbors The Coinjurer |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
Kevin,
It's a nice way to "sell" an empty hand prior to a coin production as well. I use this all the time when doing walkaround, holding out the rest of my coins while doing the roll. This holdout and production sequence (as well as a roll change and roll shuttle pass) is taught on the first Palms of Steel.....Kainoa |
tankk New user 55 Posts |
Thanks David and Kainoa Palms of Steel was on my to buy list next anyways. Any tips on transfering the coin with your thumb after the roll to roll again, that's where I have the most trouble.
Kevin |
BenSchwartz Elite user Southern California 499 Posts |
Man, Kainoa does it so good. I think that you need to just work out your thumb and just over time it will be able to stretch a little farther so it can come down. I think Kainoa calls this the Harbottle Rolling Discrepancy. Am I right? What i do with it. Is I do the coin roll on my hand with three coins held. Over the course of the routine, these three coins have been vanished. I roll the coin into the other hand and say I'm going to start from here and do the trick in reverse. I do a muscle pass because I just let the coin fall down and the bring the half down, letting it clink against the other three and bring them all back up in a fan of four. That's just what I do with it. Hope I gave you an idea.
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Wickedx New user 86 Posts |
this is pretty cool, i was thinking about this about 10minutes ago and started to try it out, even though i have nowhere near perfected my classic palm i think that can help to improve it as you are moving all your fingers,
Paul
I Defy Logic, They Question Reality.
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tankk New user 55 Posts |
Paul
That pretty much was why I started to do it, I could classic palm all day but if I moved my fingers too much I would lose the coin. This has helped as I now know how I can or can't moved them and it still is improving everyday. Its a great hand exercise! Kevin |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
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On 2003-01-09 11:41, tankk wrote: Um...I cheat and don't transfer it back to the thumb of the same hand....I just roll it back and forth from hand to hand. Though I'm doing it right now, and I guess it just takes practice, both with the roll and classic palm. Think agressive pinky streching. Also if your roll is more of a controlled fall rather than an active flip, it saves the classic palm muscles from trying to do double duty. If you try to do this using the steeplechase discrepancy, it's harder, but also possible. Kainoa |
tankk New user 55 Posts |
Great advice on the hand to hand, the thumb transfer is tough. Also (showing how new I am)can you tell me want the steeplechase discrepancy is. If not here Pm me.
Thanks Kevin |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Since I'm sure modesty will otherwise preclude a response from a gentleman like Mr. Harbottle, I'll take the opportunity to metion that the "Harbottle Steeplechase Discrepancy" appears on my video "Palms of Steel 1" still available at a magic dealer near you.
The HSD follows the approach taken by the past masters of our craft, and accomplishes through subtlety what less enlightened magicians will stuggle to accomplish through sheer brute force. In this case, it allows you to substitute faith in Kainoa for months of practice, and provides a way to perform continious coin rolls with a stack of coins in fingerpalm. Check out the video, and know the truth. Just fast forward past my part. It's okay, I don't mind.
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Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
I agree it's a good way to suggest your hand is empty. I use a coin roll with a coin classic palmed during my spellbound routine. It's very effective and worth learning. If you can already do a coin roll it's easy to pick up.
Daniel Faith
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Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
Somebody make a crying avatar for Curtis!
You're right, Guardian (I feel like I'm part of a superhero society--I'm off to my Fortress of Solitude)....this is one of those strange convincer moves that one does but often blows right by laypeople and sometimes magicians. But when deployed at the right moments and not done merely for doing it, it is very effective and worth the practice. |
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