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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
I just sent an e-mail to Mr. Randi. Let's see what happens.
This is the text: Mr. Randi, I'm sure you don't remember me...when I was a teenage boy I knew you about a year before you moved to Rahwey, NJ. Just another face I'm sure... I have looked over your challenge form and I feel the standards would not allow for a fair judgement of what I do. So, what I do and two proposals... I do psychic readings. You say it's cold reading...I say it's real. You will never admit in a million years it is real...I remember reading about the dowser in Flim-Flam. He was following the water line and you wrote you were wondering how he got the pipe layout...the possibility he wasn't real just wasn't in you. (I'm sure you remember he eventually went off the track but you get the point). As we would need a neutral judge the solution is simple. We both agree on someone who will pick someone they don't know at random (or a couple people, see later). We both never have any idea who we are reading until we sit down with them. We tell the person they will get two readings and ask for their feedback. One reading is your guy doing cold reading. I'm the other reading. I make this prediction now...they will know your cold reading guy is not psychic but they will know I am. Receiving the different readings, one after the other, will make the contrast between the two very clear. The independent judge who received the reading is the best person to decide if it is psychic. How safe do you feel about that million? HOWEVER: I've noticed from your Santa-like appearance that you weren't born yesterday. So you probably don't want to put a million in someone else's hands and risk losing. So if you don't have the cahones for the million challenge this could still be fun... I live in Dallas... Banachek lives in Houston or thereabouts I think...he seems to be a friendly fellow who knows what he is doing (or whomever you want, he just would be very pleasant to work with and would be more fun than most). Me and Banny....high noon. Some Texas talk show...Dr. Phil might like it, he is local...he would be sympathetic to your views...a nice safe place for you to go and probably a blast to do the show too...though we probably would end up on some other show as Dr. Phil seems a bit busy. The sitter could experience cold reading followed by psychic reading. Perhaps two sitters so we could take turns going first. Then see what they say... If you haven't got it for the million let's go anyway. Thank you for your time. Craig Dallas, TX |
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DJM Inner circle Israel 1681 Posts |
My psychic powers tell me that he won't go for that, but would be interesting to find what he says..
*running away from TT2* |
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
Maybe he will go for this then . . .
To whom it may or may not concern, My name is Jerome Finley and I am a traditional healer (Sangoma) from the U.S. I am also a magician, mentalist, hypnotist and believer. I would love to accept your challenge and make the following claims: A) That I may accurately read a person using viable and ancient methods, and this without using your so called “cold reading” techniques OR pre-show/hot reading techniques. B) That it is possible to provide strong currents of healing energy to a person, plant or animal, and that these positive changes in health are noticeable and definable. I am willing to go through whatever application process you may present, and look forward to any preliminary tests or challenges coming from you, the Foundation, your comrades and followers. Let me know if and when we can work something out, and how I may proceed. I am really looking forward to this. If there is a scientific community who is better able to handle the preliminary work, please notify me as I can begin testing immediately. I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. If you would like to see credentials, I am more than happy to provide them; as well as testimonials from my clients and sitters over the years. I look forward to hearing from you or an associate. Kind regards, Jerome Finley, Sangoma. P.S. I am also willing to attempt to bend or otherwise affect a spoon or other metal item, over long distances, under your given test procedures and conditions, of course. Also, I do not care about the 1 million dollars, and should we work together, I would like to state that the prize money will go unclaimed by me, even in the event of success, and in the name of truth and science.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Do you expect anyone to fall for this nonsense? Your "test" only shows that one person gives a more believable reading than another person does. I don't think too many people who passed seventh grade would acknowledge such a result as evidence of paranormal powers.
For those who are convinced, here's a second "test" you can try. Have an indifferent party judge Randi and Michael Ammar doing the cups and balls. If they prefer Ammar, maybe you can use that result to claim that teleportation of little balls is possible. Really, why do you bother with this nonsense? John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2007-01-23 21:24, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Because we would want it to be entertaining. We are not trying to put the judges to sleep are we? |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Why not John?
Do you ask Randi that? Hey why not ask Randi why he does no go after real preditors like pedophiles. As I see it he is such a clever fellow he would have a lot to tell parents on how to keep their kids safe. J ack H.O.A-X
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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DJM Inner circle Israel 1681 Posts |
Jim, because then Chris Hansen would be out of job. We don't want that, do we?
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2007-01-23 21:33, Jim-Callahan wrote: That sure would help a lot more people. Rather than saving a few from psychic surgery he could help 10's of thousands. |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
I do not know Hansen.
j Ack
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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DJM Inner circle Israel 1681 Posts |
I don't even live in the US and know Hansen. You must be pulling my leg, Mr Callahan.
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
I have no clue who Hansen is either. I am in the USA. Notice I did not use one of those smiley guys either, so you know I am serious.
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
Magnus,
If you are a skeptic you shouldn't worry about one reading being more believable than another...all you have to do is memorize some stock lines and do a few verbal tricks, right?...and you will be doing readings as good as someone who has been doing it twenty years...isn't that what your cold reading books basically say? Let's test it...a good cold reader vs me...I mentioned Banachek but according to everyone who says how fake and easy it is I guess there are many options all about the same. |
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DJM Inner circle Israel 1681 Posts |
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On 2007-01-23 21:53, chichi711 wrote: You are not using a smiley just to confuse me. I'm sure everyone has heard of him over there! Just in case you are serious, he's the James Randi of pedophiles, only he looks younger and without a beard. You can see him sometimes on Dateline. (but I know you are only joking..) BTW, thanks guys for keeping me awake in the middle of the night, I have some annoying paperwork left to finish. |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
I would guess Mota would wipe up the floor with Banachek, Randi, et all.
In fact I would put down at least $1,000.00 to say he would be more spot on and of value. Jim Callahan Owner of Applied Thought Technologies LLC
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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kyle_freemason Elite user 409 Posts |
Only thing I would challenge Randi to is a Duel. Haha. Also, if I say I believe you Jim can I have the $1000.00 for being a good sport?
MM
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2007-01-23 21:54, mota wrote: Posted: Jan 23, 2007 11:30pm ------------------------------------------------- Quote:
On 2007-01-23 21:54, mota wrote: Whatever your methods are, you clearly know nothing of me. The point is grade-school logic. Even if you give a better reading than someone else, no inferences about the source of your better reading are supported by your proposed "test". Do me a favor, and search the archives a the Café. Can you find a single time that I have commented on cold reading techniques? Have I ever said it was "fake and easy"? Aggression is no substitute for thinking. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I'm all for Mota's challenge to Randi, and I will also earmark $1,000.00 of my own money.....but as I've said before...Randi will back down!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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kyle_freemason Elite user 409 Posts |
Easiest way to keep a million safe is to never take a challenge Slim. I have no respect for Randi. I once spoke with him and he was such an arrogant person that from that point on no matter what he did or said I disliked him. I guess it is easy for him to make claims and place judgement when he is not forced to back up his claims with his challenge.
MM
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Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I can honestly say this looks like an attempt at publicity and a cry for attention. I feel Randi wont go for it. Why try and be challenged? Its up to you to prove yourself.
Want to prove yourself, get on TV. Its not hard, try it. I get on a fair amount and I'm sure if you are a super psychic reader than you can get on and call Randi out publicly there. And Slim, back down? Come one kid. Hes never stepped up. It's up to mota to get the publicity and stage a proper event otherwise how many clowns would Randi have to test a year? This is a private organization and is funded privately. The necessary funds are nuts. As for Banachek, it's called business. Leave the puters behind and go work as Banachek does. hes out there making it. Why would he sacrifice his free time in a busy schedule of corporate college show and consulting for mind freak for this challenge? You haven't convinced me you have powers so why would Randi or Banachek be convinced? Why should they test you? Better yet, why should they care about you? Kid, you have no street cred.... Slim's daughter has more of a name than you. Posted: Jan 24, 2007 2:45am ------------------------------------------------- And what part of reading somebody is supernatural or psychic? |
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themindreader Loyal user 254 Posts |
Nobody is 'worried', but many are bored with this kind of nonsense wasting our time.
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