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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
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Geller has demonstrated that the power of belief is greater than the power of skepticism" Lee Earle. "I HAD A MOST amazing experience at a private party in London a few weeks ago. Uri Geller asked if I had ever seen him bend a spoon and I said only on television. He picked up a large spoon form the table and asked me to join him at the bar. He placed the spoon down and began to stroke it. A small bend appeared. He held it up for me to see and then placed it down again. I looked at it closely and the bend was more pronounced. I was astonished since this happened without any misdirection. He asked if I would like the spoon as a souvenir and I said "sure". He took out a felt tipped pen and signed it. As I walked back to the room I was really taken by surprise. The spoon was now bent at a 75-degree angle. When I tried to bend the spoon, it was too strong for me to move in my bare hands. The bend was not at the weak spot near the spoon but a few inches up from that spot. Uri is 54 and looks 35. He is clearly a man apart.." Barrie Richardson You can read what other top pro’s have to say about him here: http://www.uri-geller.com/uri-biography/uribiog4.htm Including Blaine and Copperfield, Burger and Berglas and many other greats. DJM, you might be familiar with the first two -J.
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DJM Inner circle Israel 1681 Posts |
Is that Mr. Burger King? I've eaten at his restaurant a few times, but didn't know he does magic as well.
And please keep up with your Geller posts, looks like it only gets better. |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 18:33, Jim-Callahan wrote: Jim, from what I’ve read, you are the one scampering, not Mr. Randi. He made a challenge. You claimed you could rise to it. He accepted. And you came up with a bunch of additions to make it way more complicated that it had to be. From what I’ve read, it’s entirely your own fault that you have not been tested - not Mr. Randi’s. Holly
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Holly,
I am sorry you did not understand my post. My challenge is quite well know among those here and on other boards. It is also an old challenge from 2005 sorry but your wrong in many of your assumptions. Truthfully I thought you knew of it when you were emailing James, in a fit of skeptic fervor. He knows who I am I assure you and I am sorry for not setting you strait when you PM'd me I was in a bit of a hurry then. (DVD's for a current project came in.) Do you realize you are reading and interpreting my website to protect your own belief system. Or that is how it looks to many of us judging from your posts. Sorry you don't understand the concepts hinted at and the reasons for creating the proper dynamic to carry out the test. But this is my science and I know how to create and carry out a successful experiment. I am sure you realize now that it makes no difference what you think about what is needed for the experiment for I created the experiment and have superior knowledge of how to carry it out successfully. (Some might say you are talking about something you know nothing of) Sorry if this sounds harsh but I really don't think you understand and no malice or slight is intended. (Only the truth as I see it) I only want you to understand my position and am sorry if the facts cause you disstress. Best Wishes, J ack Click here to view attached image.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Jim
You are well within your rights to set up conditions for your "test" (if you choose to have one) and the prospective "testers" can either accept, not accept, or work out a compromise. No stigma should be attached. Just as they have the right to set up a "test" conditions and you have the right to accept, not, or work out a compromise with no stigma attached. It has struck me funny that when one "psychic" does not accept the conditions, the other "testers" he is ridiculed and called a fraud. But when the "testers" don't accept the "psychic's" terms, the "psychic" is again ridiculed for being a fraud and accused of being unfair. If the "psychic" ever says things are unfair, he is insulted and ridiculed. this does not seem fair to me. Just my observations and thoughts, and not pointed at anyone in particular. Tony |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 19:05, Jim-Callahan wrote: Oh, I think the word fit is a bit exaggerated (most likely intentionally), but I was excited nonetheless. Quote:
He knows who I am I assure you… I don’t know why he should remember you out of everyone he has to deal with but if that strokes your ego, fine. Quote:
Do you realize you are reading and interpreting my website to protect your own belief system. This one is just ridiculous. You just made that up. Now you’re starting to sound a little off. Your alleged abilities don’t threaten me in any way - especially since you can’t even demonstrate them. Quote:
…this is my science and I know how to create and carry out a successful experiment. The whole idea of your science is preposterous. And, no, Jim, I’m sorry, but if you think scientific results are “rendered judgments,” you completely do NOT understand even the most basic principles of scientific methodology. Quote:
I only want you to understand my position and am sorry if the facts cause you distress. Jim, your delusions don’t cause me the slightest distress. You simply cannot perform the abilities you claim and that has been more than evidenced by your ridiculous protocols. Holly
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Thank you for proving my point Holly.
Best Wishes, J ack H.O.A-X
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
And again.
J ack H.O.A-X
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
About the Jim and James Randi thing:
Just for the record, Jim claimed he could pass the test James Randi proposed. It wasn’t as though Mr. Randi changed the protocols on Jim. Jim admitted he could do it under the established protocols and then changed them. I just want to set the record straight that Jim changed the conditions under which he could perform AFTER stating he could pass the test - not Mr. Randi. So this business that mean ole Randi changes everything is false. Holly
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 19:30, HollyMental wrote: Possibly the funniest thing I have read on the Café in years. Oh man thanks for that. Quote:
On 2007-05-31 19:30, HollyMental wrote: First I don't think you want psychic abilities. If you did you would not be trying to prove they don't exist. If you truly wanted to believe you would search for evidence in the positive not the negative. I also think you would be so quick to just pass everything off as dumb luck/coincidence/natural science etc. Now go back and re-read Tony's last post. I happen to agree with him on that one. The skeptics always set all of the rules and when the psychic says that is not the way it works...well you know the rest. |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
You know what Jim. I would really like to see you get tested. I would really like to help make that happen. Would you help me help you make a million dollars?
I would like to help strike a compromise between you and Mr. Randi. Jim, what exactly is it about the protocols that negate your abilities? Are you saying that you can only perform at night and with an audience? Why can’t you just show up at the JREF, name the object in the locker, and take the money? What is it that you need - not want for publicity - in order to perform these apparent abilities. Quote:
On 2007-05-31 19:45, chichi711 wrote: This is just an obvious attempt to provoke an emotional reaction. Quote:
On 2007-05-31 19:48, chichi711 wrote: I’m not trying to prove they don’t exist. I would love for someone to provide substantial evidence that they do. You keep insisting I’m against you when I’m not. It’s almost like you want me to be your enemy but I don’t have anything against you. I like you. I just wish you could demonstrate psychic abilities under test conditions. As far as making the rules, the only rules are that the test must be designed so as to be possible only for someone with actual psychic abilities. The possibility of trickery must be eliminated, otherwise there’s no point. Oftentimes, psychics want - understandably - conditions that are advantageous to them. That makes sense. I would want optimal conditions for a performance too. But psychics are often unreasonable. They want the conditions so lax that the controls are compromised. And every time the controls aren’t compromised, the psychic fails. I’m not the mean person you make me out to be. I just want to see the real thing. If there is no such thing, fine. If there is, it’s most extraordinary. I just want to see it. Holly
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Richard Goodwin New user 8 Posts |
I will be demonstrating these abilities at a forthcoming lecture. Drawing duplications without going near the spectator, ESP demonstrations under similar circumstances, metal bending in the hands of others whilst I am nowhere near them, remote viewing, coercion, the list goes on. Seeing is believing, knowledge is the power to overcome the enemy. We must arm ourselves.
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 20:03, Richard Goodwin wrote: Hi Richard. Where are these lectures taking place? Would it be possible for me to personally inspect one of the spoons and then have you bend it while it’s in my hand and you are nowhere near it? May I then keep the spoon and have it examined after the event? In other words, can I hold a completely straight spoon and from that moment on, it never leaves my hand and no one else ever touches it, and then keep that spoon and have that spoon examined? It wouldn’t constitute a controlled scientific experiment but it would certainly convince me, personally. Holly
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Richard Goodwin New user 8 Posts |
Holly,
You could even bring your own spoon if you wanted to. Be safe, Richard |
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 20:00, HollyMental wrote: Oh well that's easy for me to answer. I am not psychic nor do I claim to be. I do believe in things that happen in this world that fall into the "supernatural". I don't think they are things that even can be tested if we wanted to. And no I was not provoking that really was the funniest thing I have read on the Café. |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
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On 2007-05-31 20:26, Richard Goodwin wrote: Hi Richard. Great! Where and when does this take place? I hope I’m able to make it. Are there still openings available? This is exciting. Holly P.S. One more thing, Richard. I know we’re only talking about spoon bending here but I just noticed that you do something called “coercion.” I find this word a bit…well…scary. Could you please tell me exactly what you mean by that? Do you mean suggestion or psychological forces? Just curious.
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MagicMarker Elite user 498 Posts |
I see no problem with any of Jim's conditions.
If scientists offered to demonstrate DNA sequencing, I might not understand why they need the equipment and conditions that they ask for but I'd happily provide them. There are conditions that he imposes that I don't understand, I don't see how they'd help or hurt his chances, so I have not problem with them. As far as I'm concerned if Jim is claiming that what he does is scientific then he should be afforded all the opportunities and respect we'd offer to any scientist. Let's not forget that at least on this thread he's the only one that's willing to state specifically what he'll achieve (before he achieved it) and he's willing to back it up with his own money. I hope his test goes ahead, I'd certainly like to see it. -Rd |
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HollyMental Elite user OR 423 Posts |
Hi Magic Marker. Thanks for your post. Yes, I agree that most of Jim’s protocols really don’t matter one way or the other. It seems to me that they may be doable. I’ve sent an email to James Randi to inform him of Jim’s protocols.
There is one, though, that is probably not doable - and that’s this one: “Mr. Randi or his representative must bring a cashiers check for $1,000,000.00 or cash and will immediately hand over said sum in the event I am successful.” This one is very unreasonable. Demanding a cashier’s check - or cash! - be available immediately is just not viable. I believe the JREF rules state that a successful candidate will receive $10,000 up front and the remainder within a week. That’s more than fair. I can’t say for sure but Jim will almost definitely have to come off of this demand. I’m with you though that I would really like to see it. Holly
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Richard Goodwin New user 8 Posts |
Holly,
The next lecture and demonstration will take place in the North East of England. As for the coercion, it is scary. It is not psychological forcing or suggestion, it is bending your will to my way. You will be in a situation where you have no choice but to do what is asked of you - this is not used for nefarious schemes, simply as a powerful demonstration of what is available through, extremely advanced, training. I hope this helps? Richard |
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Harry H Inner circle 1526 Posts |
I can't be bothered mass quoting,so justa couple of points.
TT2 its not the sighting of UFOs that matter.It's the sightings of UFOs that have become IFOs! Don't think there are many of them. On Gellar:when he can bend a spoon in my hand or bend a knife in his own hand-or even bend either without anyone touching them,let me know.He's been debunked so many times it's silly. ON psychics:when one can perform with any conviction and repeatability when any opportunity for cheating is taken away then I'm interested. |
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