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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
Illusion77,
The more expensive model looks heavier. I personally have used the $2,500 model from a friend, I owned the $800.00 but I ended up selling it. Before everyone flames me, I worked over 300 shows last year. I think they are beautiful but the problem with the losander tables is the center column, they come in 2 pieces and they are pressure joint closed together. With continuous use the balsa wood joint like any wood wears out. What will happen as has happened to me is that it dislodged in half during a performance. Also during another performance, the column disloged from the table top. It was really embarrassing considering it was a show for a Fortune 500 company. Balsa wood is used by stuntmen to break chairs and tables in movies. Even though Losanders table have a superior design I ended up buying a DaVinci table. It has a one piece center column, and instead of being hallow balsa wood it is filled with varnished Styrofoam. Then in the joint where the center column and table top join, it has a magnet for reinforcement. The fact I know that the table is not going to embarrass me in a performance is worth its price in gold. G0THIKE |
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Eddie Garland Inner circle Hells Kitchen, New York City 4207 Posts |
The 2,500 Losander model has one center column that is one solid piece and looks like a fine piece of furniture.
I certainly might embarrass myself in a performance but it won't be because of this table Sure, I've heard stories of legs falling off but with the deluxe table the legs are capped on the bottom so there is not much fear of even this. |
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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
Eddie,
Does the balsa wood center coloumn joint for the table top have a magnet? When you rub wood and wood you know what happens. I almost paid $2,500 for the deluxe model. But when I considered the accidents I had with Losanders table I switch to the DaVinci model. Since switching I am confident it will hold together with all the shows I do. Don't get me wrong, if I was a semi pro or weekend warrior I would get the deluxe model. But I make a living performing shows and my equipment has to work 100% of the time. To the audience the effect is that a table is floating..... G0THIKE |
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Eddie Garland Inner circle Hells Kitchen, New York City 4207 Posts |
Gothike,
Totally understand your workhorse needs. You would need a back up for your schedule I'm sure! Do take a close look at his top model however... On the deluxe Losander version the center column never makes a direct contact with the table top...there is air (3 inches or so) between the central column and the table top. The top is attached by the four decorative supports attached with metal hardware as it would in any nice piece of furniture. Four metal hardware rods would have to fail for the column to separate from this table top. Maybe a floating table is a floating table...but Losander is certainly the most beautiful in weight design. |
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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
Eddie,
I agree with you that the losander is bigger and better looking. I will take a look at my buddies deluxe version. I still don't like the idea of the hallow column but its my choice. Till then I am happy with my DaVinci table. G0THIKE |
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Eddie Garland Inner circle Hells Kitchen, New York City 4207 Posts |
Gothike,
You should for fun debate it with Losander himself and I'm certain he would cut you a real deal if you ever interested. He gets back to you real quick, Him or Luna Email or by phone they are quick responders. It's the box addition that has me sold. To the spectator no one is holding the table. |
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Dirk was kind enough at WMS to demo all of his tables for me, and explain some of the differences. I found the 2500 model looked far better than the others and seemed to move smoother (might have just been my imagination), the box on top is a great addition. The 1800 model looked very good too, I'd agree with all above that the lower priced models simply don't look as heavy or as nice. Worth the extra dollars to get a more presentable piece.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
I highly recommend the table on eBay (or http://www.magicsax.com/) It is very nice, and the price is incredible. The magician/creator is a nice guy who will bend over backwards to make you happy.
IF you don't like it (doubtful), you can always trade it in for the $500 Losander Rebate and make $150 in the process. Mr. Clark has many different styles and varnishes. They all look nice. Losander's VERY top end look nicer, but $2200 compared to $350 .. . . . . The gimmick is different than the "Tommy Wonder" gimmick, and has its strengths and weaknesses, but I am very happy and have a lot of extra cash to buy another Losander product should I choose. In worst case scenario, you will be up $150 and buy Losander's "Bubble Zombie AND table for the same price as just a Losander table - not a bad "worst case" scenario. BTW, Before I get flamed, Losander products are nice, but he did not invent the floating table. |
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
CapatainKid... I also bought one of these tables to go along with my Losander. MagicSax makes great tables and for the price, you cant beat it. I bought one of his first versions over a year ago and it is holding up nicely.
That is my disapointment with the losander. Its an unbelievable table and illusion, but after many uses, it all begins to fall apart due to the type of wood used. All of a sudden you are out over 1500.00 and stuck with something that doesn't really work well. Im almost to the point of having the glue the entire thing together and buy a large ata case. Seems like losander would fix this, or at the least, back up his work by giving replacement pieces at extreme discount. |
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g0thike Special user 722 Posts |
Videokeo,
I think losander tables are prettier looking but the bolsa wood does wear out. Balsa wood is used by stuntmen to break chairs and tables in movies. Losanders center column come in 2 pieces and they are pressure joint closed together, on top of that they are hollow. With continuous use the balsa wood joint like any wood wears out, especially since its hollow. What will happen is that it will dislodge in half during a performance and the pressure joint will cause cracks in the center coloumns. I ended up buying a DaVinci table. It has a one piece center column, and instead of being hallow balsa wood it is filled with varnished Styrofoam. Then in the joint where the center column and table top join, it has a magnet for reinforcement. The table is a workhorse. |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
Videokideo,
That is one of the reasons I did not go with the Losander Table. All tables are fragile, but because of the gimmick he uses, his have to be so incredibly light that they don't hold up well (so I am told by multiple people). --Since you have both a Losander and MagicSax, how do they compare "flying"? g0thike I have not used a DaVinci table, but I spoke to Thomas about possibly using foam in his too. Still, I am not sure it really matters (with MagicSax.com tables). The only part I am concerned with is the legs, and that is an issue with all of them. |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
G0thike
Also, Thomas' newest tables have an "extra something" to insure they will not come apart when used - even if they are worn, or have humidity changes. |
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
Losanders table is by far superior when it comes to the flying and gimmick. Although, with more practice, ive been able to really make both tables do the same things for the most part.
Its really a tossup. I will always recommend a losander if you have the spendable money for the gimmick alone. My grief is knowing you put a lot of money into a prop that will downgrade as time goes by and nothing you can really do about it. that's with any table, just how much the cost effects you personally. I bought a magicsax for backup purposes and also knowing that if somthing were to happen, I'm out a fraction of the cost. So in the end, both makers of tables make attractive pieces... losanders gimmick is much better. Both work, one more thought out. |
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