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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
I don't understand what the problem is. This effect is wonderfull. I don't want to be rude but please don't blame your shortcomings on the effect itself. It is one of the greatest impromptu effects ever created. Sorry you are having trouble but you are doing something wrong...this is a good place to start!
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
Getting help that is...
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
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On 2007-01-25 21:07, scrapdizzy wrote: Actually I got busted on fizzmaster by a pro beer drinker. He didn't tip to the others though which was cool.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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Redsixer Regular user 140 Posts |
A good subtley is not to let the coin fall out of the opening. Make it appear immpossible to remove the coin after popping the top. After shaking it and it wont come out, show them that it is their signed coin through the opening, then cut the can open to remove the coin. If they see it fall out of the opening, then they know it can go in through the opening.
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MichaelKent Special user 560 Posts |
Sinful has been getting great reactions for me.
If they think you put the quarter in when you opened it, the answer is simple: They weren't convinced the coin was in the can before that. |
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acchessor Elite user Nebraska 402 Posts |
When I did Sinful for the first time at a Fun Night at my school, the kids (about 5 or 6) in the Caféteria probably weren't expecting for me to push a coin through a can I brought. When I started doing it, they didn't really understand the effect. I shook the can to let them "hear the coin" and when I opened it, it started fizzing so I went over to the trash can to open it. That gave me the perfect oppritunity to drop the coin in since no one followed me. I brought the can back to the table and showed my hands empty, and right then, everyone freaked out, since they thought the coin was in my hands. A person even ran out of the room. It was really the first time I performed magic, and that led me to perform several miracles with cards.
Later that night, I came back down to the Caféteria and this person brought a soda can so I could do it. This time the audience was about 25. I tried to refuse, but I had to do it. So I did it, and this time when I went to the trash can to open the can, everyone followed me. I had people looking from all angles (even above!). So I finished it although I didn't get as good of a reaction. Later that night, I came down again and found out that the person who brought the can knew how the trick was done, and he told several people how it was done. :-( So I guess I can't do Sinful for a while. The moral of the story: only do it once and try to do it unexpected. |
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Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
IMHO, I this effect requires convincing acting and attitude! Otherwise the audience won't buy it.
As a magician it really fooled me the first time I saw it, but I had it figured out before I drove home. The exact handling of the coin is really efficient and threw me off because I thought I saw both hands empty before the can was opened. I have had mixed results performing this effect so I've canned it. Pardon the pun.
Mediocrity is greatly under rated!
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
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On 2007-01-27 10:18, Redsixer wrote: I don't know how to say this tactfully, so bear with me. Anyone who has a quarter and an open soda or beer can can easily determine that the coin can fit through the opening in the can. It's pretty obvious. This is a tough weakness to overcome. The intial penetration of the coin through the bottom of the can is convincing if done correctly, but the handling of the rest of the effect is pretty weak. Why? Because 1) the audience is way ahead of you. They know that the coin is supposed to already be in the can. 2) The coin isn't in the can. 3) You put the coin in the can at the worst possible moment. 4) The coin will easily fit through the opening in the can. The more that I think about this effect, the more I like John Carney's effect Quarter Spin, a coin in the bottle handling that is much more convincing than Sinful. At the end, the audience is left with a quarter, a bottle, and no idea of how the coin could ever be inside the bottle. There are a lot of clear beverage bottles out there that could be used for a similar effect. (FWIW, Carney's effect can be found in his book Carneycopia.)
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
This effect works great for me. I always make a big deal of the fact they can HEAR the coin inside when I shake the can BEFORE I open it, and usually I kindly ask people to be perfectly silent so everyone can hear the coin inside. I don't know if this alone can explain it, but everytime I perform this people go crazy. Try it.
My two cents Phedon
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Cheety Regular user Melbourne 191 Posts |
The important thing is showing that the coin is not in your hands, and try to get them thinking along that line.
the coin was there now its gone- where did it go? then you go ahead and show that the can is still not open and then make the noise of the coin in the can. if You do this clearly as possible they will believe that the coin is in the can. so all that's left for you to do is to open the can and show the coin inside. this shouldn't look as if its a part of the trick. in the audience mind the trick is already over.
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acchessor Elite user Nebraska 402 Posts |
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On 2007-01-27 14:42, Cheety wrote: I have to definately agree with this. Basically when I did it, I slowly eliminated all places the coin could be besides the can and when I showed my hands completely empty after I opened the can, the world blew over. It's all about how you perform it. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Jonathan,
good points - so we need to create another fact that diffuses the logical flow. Putting the can away and letting the spectator open it might be one. Andy
Cards never lie
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Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
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On 2007-01-27 10:18, Redsixer wrote: This is a good point. When I first saw the effect, the performer did not let the coin fall out... instead brought out a pair of needle nose pliers and ripped the opening so it was larger. Made for a more dramatic opening at the closing.
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
Of course it's all about the handling. I watched Max Howard take a cheap trick that a lot of us bought from the back of a comic book and rework it as a very professional routine.
It killed. Sinful can kill too. I've performed it a couple of times and everything already said here was key. Play up the hearing it inside the can. If you are convincing the heat is off your hands as you open the can - they are thinking that the coin is in the bottom. At the end I bring out a pen knife and cut open the side of the can. Watching me do that takes their idea off the open top. |
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mithrius Regular user Chicago, IL 127 Posts |
All philosophical banter aside, I made several performance changes to the effect that amplified my reactions tenfold. I hope they help:
1. Set up the effect beforehand. Make sure the audience knows that something huge is going to happen. You're about to perform a freaking miracle--even if it's the hundreth time you've performed it, don't forget how it felt the first time YOU saw it. The vanish is very powerful and convincing, so make sure you have everyone's full attention. 2. Take your time. Don't just spin the can around in a nonchalant manner. Be casual in handling the can, but very careful on focusing the audiences attention. Don't give them an out. Watch Wayne's handling if you're not sure what I mean about this. I was terribly guilty of rushing the middle phases of the routine when I first started performing Sinful. 2a. Use the one-handed audible convincer more than the two-handed (PM me if you're not clear about what I mean). Shake the can near someone's ear. Use the power of suggestion to lead them. This phase alone can make the difference in their minds. 2b. Slowly and fairly open the can top. If you rush this, you've given them an out. Keep the can moving a little, but you're mostly covered. This is an off-beat move. You should not open the can until you've thoroughly convinced them that the coin is inside. Opening the can is just the only way to show it to them visually. 3. Don't take the coin out of the can. It takes too much fumbling anyway. Once you've convinced them that it's their signed coin, hand the can to them carefully. Suggest that sometimes you have to cut the can open to remove the coin. About half the time, they will come to this conclusion on their own...and that memory will burn into their minds and grow for years. And remember: it's never your audience, it's never the trick, it's you. Whether it's good enough to start a religion or a flaming pile of bust, it's 100% YOU. |
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Redsixer Regular user 140 Posts |
Another thing to convince them it inside...
After they hear it "inside" the can, I bring the can back toward myself with it slightly tilted back, and I say, "OK look, there is nothing in this hand (show right hand empty then switch hands), and there is nothing in this hand (show left hand empty), and all I am going to do is pop the top". Then proceed to close the deal. |
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Orvec New user 64 Posts |
I just do the whole routine very slowly - letting the tension build at the right moments.
As with any effect, the presentation (and the acting involved with the underlying subtext) is key. 10% magic, 90% showmanship. |
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afillius Regular user 199 Posts |
I have to agree that it is all in the presentation. The handling for this effect is very strong but it must be done casually. The 1st 2 times I performed this trick it pretty much bombed, but I discovered that it was because I was so nervous. My nervousness caused me to not be confident and the audience can really feed off that insecurity. You have to believe that the coin is inside the can as soon as you do phase 1 of the routine. I also find it necessarry to tell people what you are going to do. I start by saying "We all now that a quarter is made of solid metal and as you can see this can is completely sealed, but if you look carefully sometimes you can find a soft spot on the bottom of the can where you can make the coin go right through" ...SLAM the coin, the harder the better so that they get that nice loud noise. Then slowly pull your hand away showing it clean. At this point you MUST believe that it is already inside.
Also I agree that letting them hear it inside is important. I get so many spectators saying "Oh my god, I can hear it in there!" This effect pretty much always gets amazing reactions for me.
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Matt Malinas Inner circle Transylvania 1367 Posts |
Great post afillius! the strongest convincer is YOU believing that the coin is inside. I practiced this effect so much before I performed it for anyone that when I perform it now, I forget all about the handling. it just flows. that is where you want to get to! that is so you can concentrate on your presentation.
sinful has always gotten great reactions for me! -Matt
The masters make the rules, for the wise men and the fools
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gamma105 Regular user City of Evil 150 Posts |
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On 2007-01-27 13:18, BarryFernelius wrote: Barry, you are absolutely correct on this one! Laymen are not stupid, when they go home, they take out a beer/soda can with a quarter, and they'll find out. They might not know every detail of the routine, but they really don't' care, because they've figured out the core. Carney's coin in bottle is a gem! as is with other routines from carneycopia!! |
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