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otter606 New user Scotland 89 Posts |
Hello all,
I've been playing with the herman and invisible turnover passes. I was wondering, should 'turnover' part be done vert slowly (ie., taaking about 3-5 seconds) if you don't have any angle problems? I was trying this and it seemed that if you 'get ready' then when you turnover you can do this extremely quickly and the card on the face just changes. It seems tit should either be done very fast or quite slow, what are peoples' preferences? |
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Jeff Corn Inner circle Las Vegas 1190 Posts |
Are you wanting to do it as a secret move or a Color Change? As a secret move, you're just turning the deck over. As a color change, it should happen a little faster, to make the change instant.
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Cody Fisher Special user 884 Posts |
I think it partly depends on the application of the move and its context. However, the angles are pretty well covered if you tilt the deck down a bit. That being said, I personally do the turnover not too quickly, but still not too long before the turnover of the upper half. The move should be completely invisible. Give it some mirror work and find out what works for you.
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Josh the Superfluous Inner circle The man of 1881 Posts |
How fast would you do it if you were turning over the deck? That's what I'd strive for. It shouldn't be the moment that the magic happens. Turn over the deck, allow some time, then make the magic happen. Make the turn over incidental and unimportant.
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
I think to ensure the operation goes smoothly, make sure the bottom card is buckled and pushed off. The look is very casual and does not draw any attention. Jay Sankey has a nice one using Turnover Pass in Volumn 1 of his Secret Files with an effect called What If.
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rob101 New user 61 Posts |
Hej otter606
Do you mean the 'get ready' part of the pass? If you do, take as long as you want (if angles allow) I sometimes hold the two halfs at 90 degrees to each other with just my R hand. Just watch your L side! Rob |
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otter606 New user Scotland 89 Posts |
Thanks all, will keep practicing!
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2007-01-26 14:54, rob101 wrote: You finally revealed the best secret in doing Pass for a large audience invisibly. This concept can be applied to Classic Pass also. Why does this concept work? Pass is a reciprocating action. Doing two motions separately makes each motion inconspicuous. Doing reciprocating action too quickly, it produces a distinctive moment onlookers sense. Of course this concpet is useless if your purpose of doing Pass is to boast your quickness and skillfulness. Hideo Kato |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
IMHO, this thread should better be moved into the restricted area.
Andy
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rob101 New user 61 Posts |
I pretty new to the MagicCafe and must confess, I don't know what/where the restricted area is!
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Sorry, I should have checked . . .
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Mr.Mystico New user 41 Posts |
Check this for speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKfsPznxMc Some of it's done 'face-up' but of course, the pass is a 'utilized move' not an effect. |
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kvanliewpe Regular user 134 Posts |
Check out Steve Braun's Midnight Shift.
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Bob_Hummer Special user 842 Posts |
There was a brilliant additon to this move published in MAGIC about 4 years ago. By slightly re-gripping the deck, the move becomes a lot more deceptive. It is well worth checking out...
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Harry Lorayne has interesting take on this move in one of his DVDs.
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
I believe it should all depend on the performing situation and the appearance that the performer wants to give.
All the Best, magicianguy4life |
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closeupcardician Special user Justin Teeman Moore, OK 602 Posts |
I would urge you to check out my buddy Philip Young's "Hermann Pass Variation" from his wonderful book entitled... "Fingers Don't Entertain, People Do!"
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
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On 2007-07-24 17:31, closeupcardist wrote: Let me also recommend Aaron Fisher's "The Paper Engine" for a very good lesson on the Herrmann Pass
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Eric Fry Regular user 191 Posts |
By the way, the name is spelled "Herrmann" after Alexander Herrmann, who supposedly favored this pass. He isn't credited with inventing it.
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jalal12321 Loyal user 239 Posts |
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On 2007-01-30 14:08, kvanliewpe wrote: Steve Draun. |
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