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Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
Hello,
I really love David Roths Shell coins across and all it's variations. I have performed it a lot. Lately I've been doing a mix between the classic shell coins across and coin one by Homer Liwag. For laymen, I've always performed it with four coins. But somehow I feel that four coins is a bit to many. Three coins seem like a better solution to me, there's a beginning, a middle and an end. I started wondering why magicians usually use four coins in this kind of routines. I know of a couple peformers that use three as well (Dan Watkins, john Allen, etc), but most guys seem to use four coins. Actually probably the only reason for me for using four coins is for the last phase where the fourth coin ends up in the spectators hand. The difference between three or four coins is something spectators can feel IMO. The only people I performed the effect for with three coins were magicians. I'm sure other people thought about this and would like to hear some opinions. And for the guys who've done it both ways (with three and four coins): did you get busted more with three coins during the phase where the coin travels to the specs hand? Thanks! Simon |
gkfreed Special user 532 Posts |
I have always beleived most use 4 coins because that's what they first learned. The first time I witnessed Roger Klause use 3, I realized that 3 was plenty and indeed felt more theatrically sound. In most of 4 coin routines, there is no appreciable difference between coin 2 and 3.
I do use the final coin in the spectator hand, and with proper audience management, 3 coins poses no problem for the climax. This is all personal preference honestly, but I'm a 3 coin man. |
Simon Bakker Special user the Netherlands 587 Posts |
That's exactly what I thought. I know audience managment is the key to the last coin. I've just always done it with four coins. Well let's just give it try!
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
I agree, I felt passing 4 coins was a bit repetitive. I still start with 4 coins, but one is copper, and does not "pass". I use it to "attract" the other three coins. Otherwise I follow Roth's routine. I find I still like having 4 coins when I get to the climax, as I think "3 for 2" seems like it would be easier to detect than "4 for 3", if you get my drift, hence the copper coin.
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doug brewer V.I.P. 1142 Posts |
If you use English Pennies, the final phase in the spectator's hand will work fine. EP's are much thinner and it's difficult to distinguish whether you're holding 2 or 3 coins for the "in the spectator's hand" finish. I use 3 coins (well, and a 4th odd coin that doesn't go across). 4 coins just don't make sense unless it's all in your hands (or coins through table). The classic Fecter routine uses 5 coins, but there are only 3 phases, ending in the spectator's hand.
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andrelimantara Special user Surabaya, Indonesia 871 Posts |
Hi, Doug
Love your sound familiar routine I use walkers and also chinese coin for the routine and never get caught I belive if you can manage your audience very well something like to close their hand very tight so I can't sneak something in or out which for them is prevent us to do something sneaky while it's our advantage I prefer using 3 coins more than 4 coins Cheers Andre
"Good performance comes from good practice, Great performance comes from the heart - Andre Limantara"
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Pete McEwen Special user Durham, N.C. 576 Posts |
Why not do both... See Kainoa Harbottles Deja Flew... coin's across with a repeat climax. I have done it with 4 coins and 3 and only been caught once and that was strictly bad judgement on my part (drunk spectator).
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
I'm not crazy about repeat climaxes in general, unless the second one is wayyyy stronger than the first. Otherwise it just weakens the effect. I'm NOT saying this is the case with "Deja Flew", because I'm not familiar with it, but just as a general thing, I am not a real big fan of "kickers".
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Have a look at my SENCILLO and OTH Simon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOwExcbYL74 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzDuZu4cw4 Rannie Raymundo aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-02-04 05:15, Simon Bakker wrote: Have you tried Al Schneider's coins across? It's in his book and there is a video online at his site. Link: http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/clips/video.htm
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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warren Inner circle uk 4166 Posts |
Rannie also has a routine on youtube called the boss's coins across where each phase happens in the spectators hands which is very good and I think more suited to the question but when you have as many versions as rannie it can be hard to choose.
I think if you use coins that a spectator is not use to handling ie coins from a different country it makes it easier to get away with three as two. |
rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Warren,
Thanks for remembering that. I forgot all about it. Check your PM box, I sent you something. Rannie Raymundo aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
Kihei Regular user 137 Posts |
Seems like a 3 coin routine could be as long, repetitive, and tiresome as any 4 coin routine if that's the structure of the routine. At the same time I've seen some very entertaining, brief, and surprising 4 coin routines (and 3 for that matter). Presentation is a much more important consideration than the addition or subtraction of a coin. Unless of course we are talking about bank accounts, which is another story all together.
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4674 Posts |
On the New York Coin Magic Seminar Vol 1 COINS ACROSS 2 DVD set, there are a few routines where only three coins go across - be sure to check them out!
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Fingers Inner circle Pennsylvania, USA 1330 Posts |
Very good point Kihei and I agree totally. I also agree with Dr. Rubinstein, there are some excellent versions of coins across on the New York Coin Magic Seminar Vol 1 COINS ACROSS 2 DVD set, a must have set of DVD's.....!
Where I go, so do my coins.....
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Personally, I think it comes down to a subjective choice as to what you think "feels" right. I do some routines where I use three coins, some where I use four.
The three coins across routines can be over before you know it if you do them directly. I typically like to have some type of interlude in the middle where a coin jumps back or something. |
Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Tommy wonders coins across is great there are 4 coins 3 silver one copper. most of the routines focus on the 3 silver joining the copper... then it gets funny
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