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Jim Poor
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I hope nobody gets the impression I don't like it here. If I didn't give a hoot, I would just leave, rather than trying to make a small contribution to making it a better place.

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I'm not nice in real life so why should I be any different here?
I subscribe the the "that which does not kill us makes us stronger" mentality. If your truly curious and worthwhile you'll not let a bunch of jerks like me stand in your way. You'll persevere and keep on fighting your way in until you eventually make it. If not, then it wasn't all that important to you in the first place. I've belonged to too many organizations that were completely ruined when their exclusivity was abandoned in lieu of wanting the group to be accessible to every one and their brother.
Magic is a fairly exclusive group and we just don't want the idly curious hanging around. Our gruff exterior helps to keep out all but the serious student.
And if you'd done a proper search on this topic you'd have found that out.
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Jim Poor
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I laughed so hard at that one that I almost lost my meatloaf.

Exactly which search terms would you have used to conduct a proper search on this topic? Smile

It must be the lack of sunlight in Seattle that causes people to be "not nice in real life.." Smile
Andy the cardician
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Can we please get back to the topic? This thread starts to take a turn into what we all agreed is not positive for the image of this forum.

Everybody is different in one way or the other - and we need to respect this.

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The search function is slightly dodgey, when I use it and cannot find what I am looking for I have no problem starting a new thread on a subject I suspect has been discussed before. However.....

Overall I think people here are almost TOO helpful and nice. Sometimes the curmudgeon is right.
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For me, the search function has always worked very well. If I need to find something, as long as I know the proper terms, I'll be able to find it. I think the issue is when people ask for reviews or about common topics that have already been covered extensively on the boards and can be found simply from a search.

My sentiment is the same as many others here, that the people here are very helpful and nice. And I think these people far far far outnumber the unpleasant. So let's look at the positive instead of the negative.
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+ > - = Smile
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Jim Poor,

Good post!

I have read post that were nothing but gimmy, gimmy and asked by someone with an obvious entitlement mentality and I’m sure you have too. On the other hand, I have read scathing retorts to reasonable questions, that would make any human being want to curl up in the fetal position and never ask for help again.

Some times, the questions and responses are the results of a lack of written communication skills and no apparent effort to write properly. If your uneducated at sixteen you mite get away blaming others, but if your uneducated at sixty you can only blame yourself and an honest effort goes a long ways.

Even some of us old guys, need to be pointed in the right direction, now and then. I really don’t think most people that ask questions, here anyway, are wanting you to feed the, they are just wanting to know which tool to use, or what books should I search first.

I for one was burnt out on card tricks by the time I had any real interest in magic, and I still cringe when someone says, "Pick a card." I have also come to the conclusion that a magician should have at least two of good card tricks. I did ask for help about it here, was given suggestions on which books, and some card trick to look up too, for this I'm most thankful.

I do think the positive response was due partly to the way I asked the question, I was respectful and courteous. I will also say most of the help came in the form of PMs, not in open discussion and what’s often posted is not an accurate representation of the help received.

For the most part this forum “The Magic Café” is one of the best and most helpful web sites, there are, for magicians of all levels, to be found anywhere.
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Josh Riel
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We do have the option of reporting posts that seem unneeded or otherwise might need modification (I get several posts deleted every month).

Also as this is only a written environment, it is hard to understand people, just as Tom said. We might even step in and try to help clear up the mix-up.

There are those who come here looking for exposure. But even those aren't necessarily trying to be rude. They may not know the way we expect our friends to behave.
In a friendly way we could explain the order we impose (Rightfully I believe). If after the benefit of the doubt is given.... Well then flame on. But give the kids a chance.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
Andy the cardician
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Good point Josh . . . and there is always the option of banning a member, although it might not prevent him/her to log in under a different user name.
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I did mean, I have several posts of mine deleted every month, due to complaints by others. Just so there is no misunderstandings.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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That is how I understood it . . .
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I agree, we should just tell them the answer to their question. The only exception of this is if they ask about something that pops up on the board daily. Then you can just tell them kindly to search for the answer.
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Josh Riel
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So Andy, you've apparently read my posts. Sorry.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Josh, no issue at all.
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