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Schaden Inner circle Purgatory 1253 Posts |
On Fists of Fury 2 Harbottle does the coin roll that transfers the other coin from the hand to the other. I think this fooled me completely. Is this taught on Fist of Fury 1??
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
Yes, it is.
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BenSchwartz Elite user Southern California 499 Posts |
Well it's taught on palms of steel 1.. lol.. not fist of fury.. if you look back a couple of threads, you can see your same question answered by curtis and kainoa himself.
"The experience of astonishment is the experience of a clear, primal state of mind that they associate with a child's state of mind." ---- Paul Harris
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
oh yeah, heh your right Ben, I read that post too fast.
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Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
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On 2003-01-10 23:24, pyro_magic wrote: I'm confused, Pyro, about what you mean by "other" coin....do you mean a coin that's being transfered besides the one rolling (transfering the one supposedly concealed) or just rolling a coin from hand to hand? Curtis has a move that does the former (on PoS I). The Steeplechase Descrepancy I do briefly in the performance portion of the PoS II (more as a throw away than anything else) is taught in PoS I. All of this rolling stuff can also be found in Curtis's book, "Deceptions in Paradise," along with some.....card tricks!!! |
Andy G Regular user Terra Australis 180 Posts |
The SD is a throw away? I have wondered how ppl would react to that phase of the routine, not having performed it. I think the vanish of all three coins via Mutobe is a very strong moment in the routine, so to follow that with a "throw away" doesn't seem right? You just produced three coins, then suddenly they all vanish again. I like this but where to from there? All three reappear at once? No, that leads to I wonder where they were hidden. One at a time then? But this is a throw away?
I'm just thinking out loud here, so would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Gary Kurtz does the same thing, but to be honest, reproducing the coins one at a time to me seems dull next to the vanish of all three. |
Schaden Inner circle Purgatory 1253 Posts |
Yah, I don't like his production of three single coins. It kills the very clean vanish of three coins. I was thinking of making all three coins appear under a spectators watch. They would be loaded before the routine. Does anyone else have any ideas?
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Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
Sorry, I meant that the move was a "throw away" for magicians--i.e. it's already "out there," therefore I don't need to spend time talking about it. I breeze right pass the moment it gets used during the performance in the explanation phase, mainly because I use the move so often it happens quite naturally whenever there's (apparently) only a single coin in play.
It looks like you're looking for an ending, Lee, which is always a good thing to find with coins. The demo routine I do on PoSII just stops, but is only the way I end it for magicians rather than for laypeople. But Andy, you seem to be looking for a different production sequence or just another effect (once the coins are gone they stay gone, or they change...both of which are possible)? Personally, I've always been amazed at the effect that multiple reproduction sequences have on audience reactions if they are placed at critical moments in a routine. I think producing a stack of coins under the watch would be great, esp. if you've already reproduced the stack on the table or on the back of your hand. Although I wouldn't feel comfortable doing anything much else after that, mainly because you've just done one of the most powerful things in magic--broken that barrier between audience and performer so that the magic occurs "on" the spectator. I don't think I'd want to follow that appearance with anything because I wouldn't want them to lose that moment of astonishment. I think the one thing my sequence from PoSII was missing was an audience....I know you would have seen a different routine from me if I had had more to play off of than a camera. Although camera work is a lot of fun, its not the sort of space I really like performing in. So much of selling coin work is making it interactive rather than just eye candy (or rather making the candy interactive)..... |
Andy G Regular user Terra Australis 180 Posts |
I've been working on a three coin routine for a long time, just playing with various ideas, but basically I'm trying to come up with a production/coins across/vanish that I like. I really like having all three vanish just after they've appeared but what to do next to take it into coins across is something I haven't decided. For the vanish sequence at the end I like the one behind principle as a starting point. It allows a much cleaner look, it's a bit easier, and they've seen three coins already.
Kainoa, can you describe how you would do the routine for laymen? |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
Andy,
Actually the routines I’m doing for laypeople nowadays are either a) very derivative or b) stuff I’m not ready to share with the other kids yet. I'm using some of the sequences (particularly the through the hand sequence) with some of my four coin work, which means they've been rather revamped. But I know what you mean about getting to that clean ending sequence. It sounds like you prefer a stripped down, "purist" production/across/vanish version of Trio (rather than the jazzy motion of Full Frontal Assault). It also seems like you’re not willing to use either blue tack or a gimmick for the sequence, which makes things harder, yet always makes me happier. To clean up, I’ve also been doing a lot with the Stonehenge dump. I play on occasion with the Troy Hooser “neck-palming” sequences as well, but they’re just not for me. But my other solutions are much more boring. Drop me a message if you'd like to discuss more and we can chat..... |
Ross G New user Exeter, England 40 Posts |
"All of this rolling stuff can also be found in Curtis's book, "Deceptions in Paradise," along with some.....card tricks!!! "
Does anyone have a list of contents. I ve been looking for this for a while now but can only find a dealers advert "Curtis shares some of his work, etc...." Id be really interested in finding out more about the twist move which I think is also in the book. A web link would be great. |
Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
The things I do for Curtis. I don't think you're going to find a link to it, but it might be out there. Here's most of the contents with my comments:
COINS Twisted Trio (From PoSI, but with some touches in the text) Framed Wild Pocket (very fun and very good for walkaround--coins come out of pocket and go back in and it's all justified and very visual coin magic). Coercive Purse (on PoSII) The Flying Shuttle Pass (hmm...) Chink-A-Chink (very nice version where you're clean earlier than later) Copper/Silver Flurry (another attempt to make eye candy interactive--really works and I do it a lot as a quicky) Hopping Half (but not with THE gaff....it rhymes!) CARDS Kamnibal Cards (one of my favorite card routines of all time--this has a great ending too) Shrink a Card (looking for memorable giveaways?--this is the one to do--when I have to impress people quickly, this is the one to do) Move to the Front of the Glass (fun routine, but not my cup of tea....however, with the card props you could pretty much do this one anywhere assuming you can steal glasses from wherever you're performing) About Face! (cool technique for making a card appear on your head in an impossible way as spectator holds the deck--Curtis has a naturally adhesive head....its really amazing) Hard Boiled Detective (another Story Trick ala Sam the Bellhop) Greensleeves (always a pretty routine--nice version of cards up sleeves) STUFF A Girl's Best Friend (do not buy this book....this routine is worth the price of not getting this book....I don't want anyone else to do this routine--think jumping jems but motivated and a trick that simultaneously makes the men and women interested) Ring Ring and Rope (Scotty York esque stuff and pretty) There's more, but I've gone on too far in an attempt to stop talking about my own material and about someone elses.....Some of this stuff is also on original Deceptions in Paradise video which is out there, much like the truth. |
James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
Kainoa- Forgive me for asking, as I'm not famaliar with the sleight, but could you either explain or give a reference to where to find what the Stonehedge Dump is.
(Terrible of me not to know, but if I don't ask, I may never find out.) |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
James, knowing Kainoa for as long as I have, I think I know what he's talking about here. If you have Roth's (Kaufman's) "Expert Coin Magic" look up the dump of the coin used in the "Stonehenge Coin Assembly". Or, see "Malini's favorite" in "Stars of Magic", or I believe it's sorta described in the "Complete vanishes" section of Bobo's.
For a harder-to-find reference, see the ditch of a jumbo used in Gary Kurtz's "Flurious". This should serve for the purpose of identifying the move: coin concealed in right hand. Cross left arm over right, reaching for right elbow. This is the "Ed Sullivan" position. Drop coin. Did I mention that you have to be wearing a jacket?
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
Thank you Curtis,
Though I have yet in my searches actually found a copy of 'Expert Coin Magic', I do have 'Stars of Magic, and Gary Kurtz doing Flurious on tape, so I now will have my hands full looking for this in my reference material. Thanks again |
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