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Larry Stangel
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I've been wondering recently about an effect I saw some 30 years ago at a convention in Boston. It was one of those between lecture moments where people are showing their stuff. At one point a few guys pulled me aside and had me watch a young kid do a coins across routine. The moment was quite magical to me as it was one of the first times I experienced someone doing a coin trick using sleight of hand as opposed to a Johnson Product item (they were all the rage at that time).

The effect as I remember it was that he held 4 quarters in each hand (a few were mine). He would simply cross and then un-cross his hands and the coins would magically pass from one hand to the other. At the time my speculation was that he was dropping the coins from one hand and then catching them with the other as he uncrossed his hands.

I eventually forgot about the effect until a few years later (about 15) when I obtained a copy of Daryls "Secrets of a Puerto Rican Gambler" and read the effect "Mysterious Cross of India". At that time I had convinced myself that the mystery had been solved and I finally knew what I actually saw. This was based on my having never seen any other effect with coins where they pass with the crossing and un-crossing of the hands.

Recently however I've been thinking about this trick and that day long ago. One thing I remember clearly is that there was no table and the coins were simply counted into "my" hands after each one passed. After which they'd be picked up and the next coin would travel.

Knowing how Daryls routine is accomplished the whole thing just doesn't seem to fit. That said I'm reaching out for opinons and information. Was I simply a witness to Daryls routine but in typical spectator fashion remembering the effect quite differently?

Or....... is there another effect similar in appearence and effect but with a different method that I somehow have over looked?

I'd love to hear some opinions on this, not that I'm loosing sleep over it but every once in a while I just sit and wonder.

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You might reach out to Vinny The Godfather here on the Café. He has a nice coins across called "crossing the delaware" where a phase of it does this sort of hands crossing move and the coins go across. Reach out to him, he's a wealth of information and a very good magi.
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Larry,

The only other coins across that matches your description is Shigeo Takagi's. In his routine, the arms cross for each "jump". However, he used at least as many coins, possibly more, and his routine would also be unruly without a table. (what with all those coins)

I'm guessing that you saw a gutsy young kid taking a few chances with Daryl's routine. In fact, the methodology relies upon boldness, so doing it in the spectators' hands might be a step in the right direction. You know, that's really a pretty sound idea....

Of course, given that you were at a magic convention, your very first instincts could have been right, as well. Was the kid Akira Fujii?
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Curtis,

Thanks for the response and insight, someone else has mentioned the Tagaki routine in this context to me. Although I've never seen it I've always associated the Tagaki routine with something David Wiliamson does. What makes this more interesting to me is that I saw this around 1978 and the Daryl book came out in 1980. As for the indentity of "The Kid" I have no idea who he was but he obviously has left a mark. I like the thinking re: his being "gutsy". Do you know if the Daryl routine was around before his book came out? Perhaps some early Daryl lecture notes?

Thanks again,

Larry
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Hi Larry my routine Crossing the Delaware uses just 4 coins no extras...
when I first created this routine I did with American quaters hence the name lol
anyway I use a slight I call The Gosh Pien Chein.. it is invisible and can be dpne in spectators hands or on the table...^(medafter goshman)
just pm me ill send you a demo of the routine which is very quick and the handling and any one else that is interested in this technique
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Vinny's routine looks great.

Thanks for the reminder of the cross of...by Daryl...

What's old is new again. I love reaching back to bring things to light of day.

Things in the hand have potential for great impact...

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Is it possible it was Ross Bertram's from 'Stars of Magic'? The hands don't cross per say, but the fists come very close to one another. It's one of the seminal handling of the plot which would definately be in vogue thirty years ago.
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One doesn't see the R.B. routine very often. Seems like I have only seen one person do it(and well) in the last 20 years.

This nearly normal guy doesn't use Ross B. idea though it is intriguing.

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Could be the Bertram routine, I'll go and read it. Perhaps "The Kid" added the crossing of the hands to the Bertram routine to help cover the transfers?

Hmmmmm, interesting.

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On 2007-02-16 12:00, bozo wrote:
Is it possible it was Ross Bertram's from 'Stars of Magic'? The hands don't cross per say, but the fists come very close to one another. It's one of the seminal handling of the plot which would definately be in vogue thirty years ago.


seminal? to what?

IMHO the Geoff Latta HPC approach is more likely "seminal" and thanks be to "Presto" for getting that ball rolling. Add a non-sequitor load for the left hand and you've got a short trick worth doing. Smile
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Jonathon,

Please don't in any way interpret my response as dis-respectful, but what the heck are you talking about? I love a riddle but you left me totally in the dark.

Larry
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Sounds a lot like cross-eyed coins across by Dave Williamson.
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On 2007-02-14 04:44, Curtis Kam wrote:
Larry,
The only other coins across that matches your description is Shigeo Takagi's.


Yes...I attended an Arnold Furst lecture in Virginia (early 70's), and in his
notes was this effect by Takagi....
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I must say that I saw Crossing the Delaware, the vinny's effect and it os so clean, I was fooled the first couple of times I saw it. Your Goshman Pien Chein looks amazing. And its a great technique indeed, it looks very clean.

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I know I've seen Daryl's Mysterious Cross of India on one of Daryl's dvd's but if anyone can tell me which dvd includes this I'd appreciate it. Also, is there another name for Daryl's version?

If I start searching through them all, I often get distracted.

Thank you.

Mary Mowder
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I think I learned it from one of the Ammar money videos. Lybrary.com has a single video of Daryl himself performing and teaching it.
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On Apr 12, 2022, Mary Mowder wrote:
I know I've seen Daryl's Mysterious Cross of India on one of Daryl's dvd's but if anyone can tell me which dvd includes this I'd appreciate it. Also, is there another name for Daryl's version?

If I start searching through them all, I often get distracted.

Thank you.

Mary Mowder


Mary,

You will find Daryl's routine here.


https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/coin-m......-2010-3/
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On Apr 12, 2022, Mary Mowder wrote:
I know I've seen Daryl's Mysterious Cross of India on one of Daryl's dvd's but if anyone can tell me which dvd includes this I'd appreciate it. Also, is there another name for Daryl's version?

If I start searching through them all, I often get distracted.

Thank you.

Mary Mowder


The only name for the trick is The Mysterious across of India. I learned it in 1980 from Daryl’s book, Secrets of a Puerto Rican Gambler. Since that time, I’ve rarely done a close up show or restaurant gig and not performed it. If you’re serious about this effect, I would recommend learning it from Daryl’s book. The book is available as a download and I believe the individual write up is also available as a download. Some magicians have complained that each coin travels across using the same method. In the book, Daryl goes into detail regarding the patter and actions for each coin. The magicians who teach it and perform it on YouTube fail to supply that important information.
Anyway, I know I rambled a little, but it’s one of my favorite effects when performed properly.
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Thank you for the source material.

If I don't find it among my DVD's I'll go there.

I have been looking and I'm already sidetracked so it's been fun anyway.

Mary Mowder
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I believe that it’s on Michael Ammar’s Easy to Master Money Miracles Vol. 2.
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