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fless New user 68 Posts |
I extra as a freelance writer, and now research a minor article on cheating in poker. I would appreciate input from you guys that know about this. I have researched and done some thinking of my own, now I am really interested in which methods work and which are more of novelty and historical value.
Holdout of cards in order to switch your own cards as well as knowing what cards are not “out there”. Switching cards is called hand-mucking, right? Pre-marked decks. Decks marked “in flight”, what substance is used. “Mission impossible style” cheats, cameras, earphones, invisible ink etc. Card mechanics like stacking, false shuffles, false cuts, bottom and second deals etc. Signaling and teamwork between players at the same table. Cold decking. Please be aware I ask you as a writer now, so please hold on to your real gems now… |
Jeremy Brown Regular user 160 Posts |
Sorry to say, but you wont get a lot of feedback from the real deal people in this forum. I suggest you do a lot of research in this forum. There is a lot of information you can find by reading and searching here.
Respectfully Jeremy |
fless New user 68 Posts |
Hi Jeremy;
Thanks for your input. Fair enough, it's quite understandable. Please let me elaborate a bit on my question; I guess this business is like the old greeks, they have exoteric knowledge, which is accessible to the ordinary people. But they also have a core of esoteric knowledge, which they guard and don't tell anyone but themself. I was after the exoteric part, which is more or less common knowledge. I am not fishing for the state-of-the-art things here (although it would be great fun to know). Thanks for your help; appreciate it! Cheers, |
gadfly3d Special user 963 Posts |
Wow Straussian magic
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Everything and nothing works. English works but not very well in France. All Poker games are not the same. As Mr Forte will tell you; It’s all about the application.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
What has made a lot stuff history in poker is procedure. 25 years back you could do most stuff in a lot games and there were many sharps using sleight of hand. It is not the same today.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
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On 2007-02-21 21:38, tommy wrote: Tommy, They had procedures in the 1920s - 1970s. What they didn't have is 24/7, videotaped surveillance. That, much more so than procedures, is the reason why sleight-of-hand cheating is dying. Ask any of the oldtimers what killed sleight-of-hand in the casinos and their answer essentially boils down to: the 'rewind' button. Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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memph33777 Loyal user 257 Posts |
In my opinon snithers has killed ore than anything. You can fool a man 1 million times at something but if he doesn't know he has been cheated he will never wake up. How people get up on info is when the wrong person gets it(we call this type of person a lame) they even have a old saying in the streets "never give game to a lame" and the lame will tell other lames. Then everybody wonders how suckers get up on game! Example some people here hustle for a living. Some people want to know whats going on just so they can go tell their friends. When they tell their friends then their friends will tell their friends and pretty soon a ingenious way of making money will be come familar with players and tricks alike.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The rapid demise of sleight of hand in poker can be dated from about 1980 onwards. That’s when Holden hit town and the poker comps started in casinos. This killed the private high stakes poker games that were everywhere. Casino poker games have always been the hardest games in town to beat with slight of hand. Moreover the casino poker game was not where the money was; It was in private games full of villians. I could go on and on and on but it’s pointless; What difference does it make, its just history.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Tommy,
The difference and its importance can be debated. I simply like to make accurate statements as much as I'm able. My point was: a sudden advent of procedures where before there were none didn't kill sleight-of-hand cheating in casino poker (or blackjack, or craps, or roulette). For the most part, procedures have always been in place in one form or another. The constant refinement of procedures isn't without its effects, but the bulk of the moves were killed primarily by technology. Simple as that. Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2007-02-21 10:39, gadfly3d wrote: :) Gruss, Jeff Goettingen |
Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Funny,
I was just talking to someone recemtly....I'll PM you.
Long Island,
New York |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Jason
What I meant by change in procedure was that for many decades the usual poker game was 5 card Stud and Draw. The sharps had a very long time period to study the procedures of those games and how to beat them. Each game has it’s own procedure. Now along came Hold’em, with it’s own procedure which caused the sharps to have a rethink and while they thinking the private games dried up everyone was going to play in comps etc So they changed with times and thought the way to crack this new tuff nut was collusion. While the eye certainly does not help the casino poker game has always been a tuff nut to crack. They have always been well policed and harder to use sleight of hand there, even if they switched eye off. Simple as that. :)
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
http://www.idkwtf.com/videos/latest-vide......at-poker
See what cheats work in real-time when R. Paul Wilson takes on three professionals. |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On 2007-02-25 18:43, tommy wrote: I think the reason those games lost popularity was because its too easy to cheat and pots too small... in 5 card, you only got one face down card and that's whats determines your hand... Holdem aint much different but its much safer game... I don't think any capable cardsharp if there are any would have a problem adjusting from stud and draw to holdem... only the phonies cry like little 8!t(he$ j
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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fless New user 68 Posts |
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On 2007-04-04 01:26, iamslow wrote: My $0.02: I think "action" and "television" are the key words for the popular poker games today. Obviously, the hype around world poker tour and WSOP has attracted millions of new tournament players, mimicking the heroes like brunson, hellmuth, moneymaker et al. Also, new players want action and thrills, which are the weak spots of 5 draw and classic 5 stud. Draw gives to little information to make it meaningful to a lot of people, and 5 stud is considered simply dull, king high is a monster and so on. To my surprise, I have realized most poker players are very ignorant about live cheats, while there on the other hand is a lot of paranoia surrounding online poker, even by respectable players. |
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