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CSStanton Loyal user Suttons Bay, MI 228 Posts |
Just playing around in class, doing a coin roll with a half. I locked the coin between the middle finger and thumb, closest to the wrist. When it is caught there - the first roll of the coin roll - and pressure is put on both edges, when the thumb is released, the coin flys. It goes either up or to the side, depending on the grip the middle finger has. What do you all think of this move? Does it have any potential? I thought if you were in the middle of a coin roll and did this on one of the rolls, it could fly up, grabbed by the other hand and repeated.
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
Kind of sounds like a new move. Anyone else heard of this before?
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Isramagia Regular user Bayamon, Puerto Rico 114 Posts |
I don't quite understand. Is the hand palm up when the pressure is released?
Izzy
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
You need to explain better or show via picture what you are talking about, I can't visualize it.
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
Played with it a bit and it works great!!
The coin is falling up!!!
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
Perhaps as an invisible pass during a coin roll? I've done that quite a few times when I was learning the coin roll.
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Full Effect Loyal user Los Angeles 257 Posts |
Sounds like Masao Atsukawa's Bullet move. Masao Atsukawa is a magician from Japan. The move is printed in Kaufmans 5 TIMES 5 magic from Japan volume.
The Bullet move is done when a coin is in backpalm position but with the hand closed in a fist. With pressure of the 2nd and 3rd fingers and release of the pinky will shoot the coin with incredible speed to the other hand , if done at the right moment it is not seen by the spectator. I might be wrong though
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CSStanton Loyal user Suttons Bay, MI 228 Posts |
Sorry about the lack of detail. Try this link. I just threw it together - hopfully this will answer your questions.
I think it has alot of possibility as a secret move as well as one people can see. Maybe just somthing fancy. Try the video link if you need more help. http://stantini1.netfirms.com/highfly.htm -Casey |
KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
You can do it with your index and ring finger too!
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CSStanton Loyal user Suttons Bay, MI 228 Posts |
KingStardog - it's the Stanton Shot with the KingStardog subtlety! Yah!! Has anyone seen this in print?
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Full Effect Loyal user Los Angeles 257 Posts |
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On 2003-01-13 17:47, CSStanton wrote: Yup its the same as the Bullet move I explained earlier just in a different position. Same principle on how the coin is held and shot out. Not alot of people have read 5 times 5 book. I think Kainoa Harbottle might have read this book since he mentions it in fist of fury dvd.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Casey,
Interesting move, and although there is a resemblance to the "Bullet move", and I would guess that more than a few people have accidentally performed this move just as you did, credit should be given for having recognized the potential here. I suspect that this is more likely to be used openly as a flourish, although one can imagine using it secretly under cover. (under a silk, for instance) That brings to mind one app: the coin is rolled once or twice, to familiarize the audience with the position. It is then rolled to position, but the pressure not applied, as the hand is covered with a hank, draping it from thumb side to pinky side. Shoot the coin into the draping hand under the cover of the hank. Okay, here's another. You are rolling the coin from hand-to-hand, the hands rolling around each other. Left hand rolls the coin to right, and travels over the top of the right hand in a continuing motion. Right hand moves under the left, then up. (The hands are making circular motions around eachother.) As the left arm obscures the right hand, (you're facing right) shoot the coin into the left hand. Continue the "rolling" motion so that the coin appears to vanish from the right hand when it is at its highest point. BTW, my application of the "Bullet Move" appears on "Palms of Steel vol.1", applied in a C/S/B application. Although Atsukawa probably invented it first, I came up with it myself, by accident, just as you've described your discovery. "The Bullet" is basically a back palm "gone bad", the way this move is a coin roll "gone bad".
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Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
Where on POS 1 is it Curtis? I don't remember a bullet pass being used???
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
It's a quickie, presented as an ending for the York/Latta approach to the C/S/B. The move is used to shoot a c/s coins from under a purse.
Or did this not make it onto the tape? have I got to go watch my own tape again? Gawd, I hate that.
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Kainoa Elite user NewArk, Delaware 424 Posts |
I thought it did....but I'm usually wrong. I don't even know where my PoS I is!!!
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
hmm, I think I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it might not be there, I don't recall seeing it on the tape, though I think it might of been mentioned.
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Dark Elite user 406 Posts |
Are you refering to the Harbottle Discrepency Section? I don't recall it being mentioned or shown during that part of POS1.
On a different note, don't try this move while reading magiccafe! I whacked my monitor that way. |
Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
It's not on the tape, I do think however a quick clip of it was on one of the intro or ending clips.
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Clayman Loyal user New Jersey 243 Posts |
I just recieved my POS II "Fist of Fury" and give it a 10 out of 10. I saw both of you guys here(on this thread) so thought I should at least show my respect (plus give a plug lol). Please keep making them!!
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Well, shoot. If the Café's official Librarian says it's not there, it's not there. Thanks for checking, Dan.
I may have put it on P3, or it may have fallen through the cracks. Just in case, and in the interest of getting back to the topic at hand, here's the idea in a nutshell: You're at the point in a C/S/B routine where you've got a half dollar in the coin purse (the spectators think it's the C & B) the purse is sitting on your right fingers, hiding the C beneath it, and the fact that you're holding the B in full backpalm. The S/C is displayed as S on your L. fingers. (Believe it or not, this position is not far from the ending position in the Geoff Latta routine described in Coinmagic. It's harder to get into than the actual move.) So, they think you've got a half dollar on your left fingers, and the copper coins locked in the purse. The real position is, well, as described. Draw attention to the s/c. Slowly close your fingers, which starts to turn the s/c over. As the coin reaches an upright position, squeeze the B in backpalm position, then release the pinky's grip. This will propell the B into the Left hand, where it meets with the now-copper c/s coin. That's the moment, a visual change of the half to two coppers. While the audience is recovering, transfer the C under the purse to full backpalm. Tip the left hand's coins to the table, fingerpalming the gaff, and shooting the C to join the B on the table. You're now clean, and ready to show the S in the purse. I'm sure that reads about as well as the instructions to your VCR. If you want to see it done, I'll be happy to demo it at the Café Convention, or the LVMI/Coinvention. After all that I realized that the whole subject was really parenthetical to a parenthetical. To get back to Casey's discovery, I will be the second to counsel caution. It tends to propel the coin straight at the audience with quite a bit of force. It does make an effective heckler stopper, though. I'm starting to get some control with it, and I'm liking it as a flourish so far. That, or a sneaky way to break a lightbulb with the "powers of my mind".
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