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On 2007-04-09 03:13, Dominique wrote:
To me the critical interval does start with "the last view of the initial condition" from the audience's point of view, that's to say this critical interval starts (ideally)in the outer reality with the fake last wiew of the initial condition.

I think it's going to depend on the effect. For instance, sometimes we have to sign cards or allow a prop or apparatus to be examined before the effect starts. I think the moment such an examination happens, the audience is put on a heightened alert, and this will happen prior to the "last view of the initial condition". Of course, since sometimes it's best to kill suspicion before it begins (for both dramatic and fooling purposes), sometimes you have to do it -- that's why the glass box is examined before Copperfield actually flies, for instance. If the conviction is not strong that the box is solid, or that the ties around my hands and feet are tight, or whatever, then you run the risk of the situation that Schneider describes when the audience says, "Oh, I guess I made a wrong assumption."

I think that symmetrically at the end of the trick what does mark this end in the spectator mind (and so the end of the critical interval) is less that their first view of the final condition than their own decision about if the trick was or not convincing.

Well, again, it seems like you're talking about two different things. An audience member decides that he was fooled upon reexamining what he perceived happen. However, when he's trying to determine exactly what happened, his recollection will go up until the point that the perceived magic has taken place and is completed. If you do a trick with a signed card to a hat (say as the climax to an ACR, for instance). You do all this great magic with the ACR (they have no choice to believe the effects), and then you demonstrate that the card has disappeared from the deck, you take off your hat to show a card inside, then the faith that's been built will cause people to think "How did he do that?" when you're actually not finished yet -- you do your move, reach inside and pull out the signed card. The signed card convinces them that it was their card, but they're mostly convinced anyway the moment they see the card face down in your hat -- assuming Darwin's theory is correct.

I agree that your card to pocket example (which I've seen elsewhere, I think on Daryl's Card Revelations?) is less strong than it could be, but there are better examples of the principle at work. Jay Sankey's got a good one in the 0$ Bill Switch, Tommy Wonder's ACR works with the principle, Dai Vernon's Travellers works partially on the principle, several coins-to-glass routines operate on the principle, and so on...
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On 2007-04-09 03:13, Dominique wrote:

(Andy : my use of the word "fooled" was a deliberate ironical reference to the interesting discussion about it in D.ORTIZ's Desingning Illusions)

Thanks Dominique - got it now . . .
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