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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Is there anywhere a published method (video or book) that describes how to get from NDO to the Tamariz stack?
Thanks for your help. |
Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
Book: Only Sinfonia en mnemónica mayór Vol.1 which is only available in Spanish now.
Video: A1 All Stars Vol.3 Denis |
Adam V Special user 603 Posts |
The A1 All Stars video only shows how to get from the stack to the Spanish NDO. To go the other way you'll need to sit down and figure it out. I suggest you learn how to use faros to undo multiple full-deck deals
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Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
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On 2003-01-18 07:31, Adam V wrote: Yes, that's right... But with a little knowledge in faro and anti-faro work that should be no problem. Denis |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Is anti-faro synonymous with reverse faro?
Adam V, if you've worked out a method, do you mind PM'ing the method to follow? |
Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
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On 2003-01-18 08:20, Claudio wrote: Well... it depends on what you think about when you say reverse faro. A lot of material about anti-faros is published in Juan Tamariz' "Sonata". It is about "undoing" multiple (out or in) faros by dealing the pack in a certain number of packets (2, 4, 8 or 16) and assembling them in the correct order. Denis |
Adam V Special user 603 Posts |
In this instance we're not talking about the method of springing the cards and cancelling a faro. This is a way of dealing cards into a certain number of packets to cancel them out. Give it a shot yourself to see. Sometimes you'll wind up with the deck being reassembled backwards, but in the case of Tamariz's stack it will work out fine.
BTW, it's not Bicycle NDO.
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cardfreakhk Special user Hong Kong SAR 585 Posts |
What is the adventage of Tamariz's memorised stack? I don't know, could anyone tell me more about it? I don't mean the secret of course.
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Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
The primary advantages are that 1) you can start in new deck order and mathematically generate the stack, 2) because of this, with a bit of handling, you can also slip in and out of StayStack situations, and 3) with thoughtful handling, you can return to new deck order for a climax.
A primary disadvantage is that, unlike the Aronson Stack, this order doesn't have a bevy of effects already built in, so one must "uncover" any inherent effects that may lie in the stack order. In this latest book, TRY THE IMPOSSIBLE, Simon has revealed more effects that can be done with his stack but that don't rely on the stack being memorized to do them. They're based solely on the fact that because there are already effects built into the stack, certain cards lie in positions relative to each other that make these extra effects possible. In Tamariz's stack, you have to work a little harder to dig out these kinds of effects. The other disadvantage to the Tamariz stack (compared to Aronson's) is that there is -- at least in the United States -- quite a bit more published research available on the Aronson Stack by a lot of different magicians -- the work of Michael Close being a recent example. There is as of yet, not so much available literature on Tamariz's stack, because not as many people have had the opportunity to learn it. Lastly, because European new deck order isn't the same as North American new deck order, magicians over here would have to learn a different version of the Tamariz Stack, where some of the suits are switched around. Except for those factors, I think the stacks are on a par with each other on all other counts. Any effect that can generically be done with any memorized stack can certainly be done equally well with either of these. At that point, it comes down to personal preference. Cheers, Lance |
Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
I thought I comment on some aspects since I use the Tamariz Stack for some time now.
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On 2003-01-19 10:56, Lance Pierce wrote: I think that is one of the major advantages since it is a really strong climax! Quote:
A primary disadvantage is that, unlike the Aronson Stack, this order doesn't have a bevy of effects already built in, so one must "uncover" any inherent effects that may lie in the stack order. While it is true that the aim "NPO" does not leave too much parameters free for building in other effects there are uncovered a LOT already. (Much of them will appear in the Memo-books.) Among them are gambling effects, spelling (well, I know only the German spelling effects in the stack...), mate-effects, quartett-effects. Quote:
Lastly, because European new deck order isn't the same as North American new deck order, magicians over here would have to learn a different version of the Tamariz Stack, where some of the suits are switched around. I would not advice learning the stack with suits switched around! It would make it difficult/impossible to use some of the already discovered features in the stack. By reverse counting two suits in US-NPO you are all set to go in the stack. Since most effects are stack-independend anyway it does not matter too much after all... Denis |
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