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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts |
I have practiced until I can get it to slide directly into the crotch of my elbow. I am trying to extend my arm and have it fly from my elbow. Then it will "fall from the sky"...I still can't do it perfectly even 75% of the time, but If Paul Harris' simple switch is possible, this must be too.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
James, the basic concealment goes back well before Mr. Sankey, and you'll find it in Bobo's. There, it is suggested that you use a hankerchief to retrive the coin. Other approaches:
Reaching/grabbing gesture (Skinner) Moved to an even sneakier position, then produced (Williamson) Retrieved under natural motions involving a pen (Klause) Plenty to choose from, look 'em up.
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BenSchwartz Elite user Southern California 499 Posts |
Is it just me or is the messiah coin vanish the EXACT same vanish as which is taught in Michael Skinner's "Intimate Miracles" lecture notes as the M.S. Coin Vanish??
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Go back further Ben, it can be found in Bobo's as well. I would not be suprised if it shows up in earlier sources. The concealment is not new, Jay didn't claim it. Jay's claim was the particular recovery from it he used.
Steve Draun has a nice little handling that uses a similar concealment called a Perfect Coin Vanish. Click the name of the routine to view it. In my opinion it looks better, and the recovery is better than Sankey's version. |
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
Dan- Thank you posting that, That is a excellent way to work that vanish.
Curtis- Looks like I have some studying to do, and re-read Bobo's book. Looking forward to Magifest, so I can get Williamson's book, hopefully yours as well. (I'm trying to convince Kainoa to go as well. Would love to meet him.) Dr. Jakks- That is a great idea with the elbow, I'm gonna try that. Such an interesting idea. |
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iSawThat Regular user The Ivory Tower 188 Posts |
I occasionally use Greg Wilson's all-round vanish to get rid of a coin completely, not sure what the opinion of everyone else is on this one, but i DO like the fact that the 'dirty' hand continues to distract the spectator's attention waaay after it ceases to be dirty, and in itself allows you to clean up. even badly done i've found that no one can tell where the coin went.
As for the Messiah Vanish, is it just me or does the coin tend to slide off the w***t rather easily? is there any way to prevent this? |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2003-01-24 05:42, iSawThat wrote: Let it rest against a watch band, or lick the back of your hand before you do it. The hardest part is the misdirection to lick your hand without looking goofy. |
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KyleHarnish New user Southern California 51 Posts |
You can also try the wipe clean move. I don't know who its by but is good.
P.S. Ben you funny |
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bakerkn Regular user 121 Posts |
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On 2003-01-24 09:24, Dan Watkins wrote: Employ the Cardini strategem of a slight cough and raising the hand to cover the mouth in a natural and motivated action. Kevin Kevin |
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sanskara New user Austin, TX 59 Posts |
I also use Sankey's Messiah Vanish but found that the recovery is a little lacking--even though he pulls it off pretty well.
My solution is to use the vanish as a segue into the Tores Move. That way you can show both sides of the hand and CP the coin at the same time. I believe David Stone shows this move on his 2nd coin magic vid.
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JoshBlum New user California 47 Posts |
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On 2003-01-24 09:32, KyleHarnish wrote: I would also go with this move. If you wanted it completely vanished you could also use some misdirection and just slip the coin into your pocket. Ooooooh misdirection. |
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Danno New user Boston 94 Posts |
I also use Greg Wilson's All Around Vanish.
It's explained on his Off The Cuff & On The Spot videos. |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I think its Jim Pace in Visu Antics (see the demo) that has a way of grabbing at the air to reproduce the coin, after what appears to be a Messiah vanish.
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Wow, look how old this thread is..2003! I noticed it when Dan Watkins links were long expired! LOL!
I have to admit, the times I AM busted after a retention vanish, this is my "out". I "accidentally" drop the coin on the floor, and scoot it under my shoe, in the act of picking it up, I pretend to "play" with the coin a bit, and do a sort of "pass", except I have NOTHING! Both hands empty! Doug |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I sometimes use something on the table, commonly my cell phone, and pick that up to wave as a wand and then put the coin under it when I replace it on the table. It works nice but of course you still have to deal with the coin at some point.
Thank you. Jim |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
Many ways I suppose but an easy way to me is via quick misdirection as you simply CP the coin and then wave it over the other hand to show it's gone! I do this a lot when I'm just jazzing-around for people. Once it is clearly implied that my hands seem empty from that perspective, I then switch it up to even more clearly show them empty via my Clean Hands technique that shows the hands straight-out, completely empty.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
Ideally you should causually or directly show the "dirty Hand" empty befor eyou reveal the vanish (Preemptive Doubt). Having the coin in Ramsey or Liwag Subtlety while getting another object in the hand works fine.
After the Vanish is Revealed the eyes will not go to go to the other hand becasue you have already shown it empty, and a simple Washing, Crossover or my CrossToss alternately shows the hands empty. There are also ways of "idling" the coin so that the dirty hand is actaully empty, but your hand movements should not be much different than above -- just add a nose scratch or open handed gesture. As mentioned numerous times above -- the spectaor will only be suspicious if you act strangely.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
I agree funsway, the control of the spec's focus is all in your hands. It's funny how all this becomes secondary to you in your movements after a while. It's like the the hands just know what part of the dance they should be doing at every point of the spec's gaze upon you. Gotta love it!
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Guys, I hate to admit this, but I'm not familiar with the names of all the subtleties. Ramsay, I know. I just learned the one I've been doing for years, is called the Kaps' Subtlety. Never knew it was called that. Maybe I need to go to Magic School or something.
Can you guys point me to a place, where I can learn the names of these and other subtleties? That way, I won't feel so stupid when I read about Liwag, and the sort. TIA! Doug |
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2010-08-19 11:05, Mb217 wrote: Or, after the waving, move the guilty hand over the palm up (other hand), a drive-by load, continue with the now clean hand to grab the coin from thin air, mime dropping into the hand that is holding out (someones subtlety keeps them from seeing the coin, close the fist, give a little shake, and the coin has reappeared in a hand that was just shown completely empty. Dougini I had considered Kap's and Ramsey subtleties essentially the same; maybe it would be good to compile a list in the secret sessions.
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