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The Conjuror
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Kent,
I really like that 3 step approach. I think that will make it seem less overwhelming. Thanks for sharing the great idea.
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Don't get frustrated with it. Once you have the spin down, everything else is timing. Let us know how it goes.

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I used Michael Ammar's instructions in the wand he sells and then on the C&B video. It comes eventually. You'll get it!
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I use the Vernon Wand Spin a lot. I sent my cups and balls routine to Bill and he caught me on the exchange. My problem wasn't that the fingers moved but my whole fist 'ticked' or jerked a little counter-clockwise! I worked on it as hard as I could but I couldn't stop it!

So I cheat. When I start the spin I bring the left hand up and as the wand approaches from below the left hand drops from above. Both hands are moving the whole time.

It works every time and yes, Bill, my hand STILL has that ticking motion.
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The Vernon wand spin vanish (from the Dai Vernon Book of Magic) is not the same as the Ammar wand spin vanish.

Does anyone know the difference?
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I remember Michael telling the story about showing it to Vernon and when asked where he learned it Michael replied "From you! It's your wand spin" Dai responded "It is? I'm in favor of it!"

So that leads me to believe there was a difference, but I don't know what it is.
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The photos in the Dai Vernon Book of Magic show Vernon holding the wand between his thumb and index finger.
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You're right! (as usual Smile ) I hadn't noticed that before. First finger or second finger, it doesn't matter to me. I can drop the wand equally well from either position.
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Don't feel bad about not noticing it before. I just noticed it last night. I've had the book for almost 40 years!
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There are a couple of other differences. To some extent this is navel-gazing, but here you go:

In Michael Ammar's description of the wand spin in the Complete Cups & Balls book, he states that to start with, the wand is held between thumb, first and second fingers (which differs from the Ganson description of Vernon's wand spin, as noted above) - and also says that the wand never moves from between the index and middle fingers, which is not true.

The wand 'spin' (i.e. the spin achieved by momentum alone) finsihes after the drop is completed with the wand pointing away from the body at an angle of about 60 degrees [photo #11 in the Ammar book and (coincidentally) photo #11 in the Ganson description in the Vernon book - or the Stanley/Supreme booklet]. Ganson correctly describes the next move - in which forward pressure from the thumb snaps the wand from between the index & middle fingers so that the wand is held between the index finger and thumb (rotating the wand another 10 degrees or so). This position is shown is photo #12 of the Vernon book, but happens sometime between photos #11 and #12 in the Ammar book.

Once that position is reached, the wand makes a further quarter turn towards the body that is achieved by movement of the right hand/wrist, so that the wand is brought almost parallel with the body, pointing at the left hand; the right hand & wand are held fairly close to the body. Ganson accurately describes this and is shown in photo #13 in the Vernon book, but it is omitted from the Ammar book. Curiously, there's no specific mention of this extra quarter turn in the Ammar video/DVD either - even though the movement is clearly shown during demo & performance.

The differences between the descriptions are partly the result of the Ammar book relying almost completely on photographs to convey the movements of the wand and this is sadly one of the deficiencies of the book.

So, the differences are (1) start position (index/thumb) (2) role of the thumb in completing the spin (3) hand/wrist movement to complete the final quarter turn (4) finish position (index/thumb)

Confused? You will be!

Just to make things even less clear, take a look at Vernon's perormance on the Mark Williams show at the end of the Ammar video/DVD. The Professor clearly starts doing the spin with the wand held between index finger & thumb (as in the Ganson description). However, he makes the drop after the spin has been completed rather than during the motion of the spin! This may be because he was sitting (it's easier & more comfortable to do the spin & catch when standing because of body position). Even though he apparently breaks his own rules, it's still very deceptive - but that's the Professor for you.
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To help people that may have some questions about the technique, here is the Youtube videos to watch.
I find the Vernon video interesting in that when Vernon drops the ball he makes a good amount of finger movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpC4fvrdiUk

Here is the Ammar Routine as Well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWzh3VbXSds

There is a lot ot learn from both routines.
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