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majik_1
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Does anybody know where I can get
Ammar's lecture notes that has the Vernon wand spin?

Thanks
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It is in his book (actually Maxwells) The Magic of Michael Ammar. Great book by the way.
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Agree! The Magic of Michael Ammar is trully a great book.

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One of his cups and balls dvd, Michael Ammar taught this move too in case you couldn't find his notes.

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It's also on one of the Vernon Revelation tapes. Forget which one............
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I learned it from reading "The Magic of Michael Ammar" and watching him perform the cups and balls in his Magic Castle Lecture video. Between the two of them, I was able to get it down, and it's definitely worth learning! Best of luck, Jeff
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Yes!! Very good book!!!

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David Regal explains the spin and has some helpful tips in his "Cups and Balls and Cups and Balls" Routine on his "More Tricks" DVD #2.

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The move appears to be based off of Nate Leipzig's "Drop Vanish". He didn't use any accessories -- just a ball and his two hands. Mora adapted the move, using a closed Chinese fan, and twirling that around the fist. Vernon took Mora's move, and substituted a wand for the Chinese fan.

See "Roy Benson by Starlight" for more info.

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It's in the Vernon Book of magic too. That's a great book.
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The description in the Dai Vernon Book of Magic is not correct. Also, Michael Ammar does not hold the wand the same way it is described in this book.

Lewis Ganson, while a great photographer, often edited descriptions of the way things were done, because he didn't feel they were correct. This caused lots of confusion over some of Vernon's moves. For example, the description of how to do the Ball, Cone, and Handkerchief was not right at all.
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Regarding the provenance of the move, this was posted by 'hofzinser' here a while back:

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RE: History of the Wand Spin

LINKING RING MAGAZINE
JULY, 1958
VOLUME 38, #5
PAGES 18-19


LOUIS McCORD (Silent Mora) writes:

"I have wanted to write about John Van Camp, a very original magician who, in 1902, gave a magical performance at Carnegie Hall, Allegheny, Pa. Allegheny is now called North Side, Pittsburgh.
"Van Camp was so original in his magic and style that he had a great influence in my later life, though I didn't meet him until 1905 when he came backstage at Tony Pastor's Theatre in New York City to see me.
"He asked me where I got the Twirling Wand I was using at that time (1905). 1 told him, 'I got it from you, Van, when I saw you in 1902 at Carnegie Hall, Allegheny. You did the Wand Twirl and then put a dove on each end of the wand, and an assistant carried the doves off stage.'
"Van Camp then replied, 'I had forgotten about the Twirl. But you've really made a trick of it, vanishing the ball. It looks impossible.' That conversation took place in 1905.
"Some of the New York magicians called on me back stage at Pastor's and watched my 12-minute act from the wings. Several of them, including Frank Ducrot, asked about the Twirl�ing Wand and Ball, for even from the wings they couldn't be certain where the ball went.
"One magician had seen this NEW move from the front several times, and then came backstage and gave me $10. He said, 'I've seen that move several times and I don't know it. I like it. I want a LESSON on that sleight alone'. That man was Adrian Plate, New York's Society Magician, and he gave me the $10 at once.
"In a few minutes he had mastered the Twirl, but had difficulty in letting the ball drop from the left hand into the right at JUST THE RIGHT SECOND. The TIMING is so exact that Mr. Plate could not do it without long hours of practice!
"Danny Dew, of Phoenix, Arizona, was the first person to show me he could do it. He never took a lesson. Only a person who has great patience can master it.
"If any other person puts in a claim for having invented this ORIGINAL SLEIGHT, he must have whispered the secret of it to me while he was still unborn! And that is the com�plete story of the TWIRLING WAND AND VANISHING BALL. Now to get on with the story of Van Camp. You will notice that this story has a couple of actual dates in it - 1902 and 1905. 1 will add another date - 1912, when I was playing the Orpheum Theatre in Ottawa, Canada. That date, 1912, may have some importance, for the Twirling Wand and Ball Vanish has been a part of my act for some 56 or 57 years!
"John Van Camp certainly started people inventing magic. He lived in New Brighton, Pa., in 1902. He was the elevator starter at Horne's Department Store. His magic, even in 1902, was worthy of a place on any vaudeville circuit. He was a handsome man - medium height, weighed about 135 pounds, immaculate in dress, and always presented a fine, clean-looking appearance - always dressed in the latest in men's styles.
"In later years he invented the 'Pig Slide,' an outdoor amusement device that was very comical to watch. In this, there were several separate cages, each being a compartment for a pig. You would buy three balls and throw them at a certain spot on each cage or compartment. If you were fortunate enough to hit the spot on the cage, the door of the cage would fly open, the little pig would slide down a copper trough or slide, land on the ground and make a bee-line to the unseen food supply in the back. His antics were very laughable.
"What has become of John Van Camp? He seems to have dropped invisibly, into Somewhere! I really have no idea how such a prominent man could vanish and leave not a trace!
"Here is a sample of a Van Camp magical program, but with the passing of the years, memory is often at. fault, so I'll give what I can remember:

1. Produces Fire Bowl from foulard (opaque square cloth).
2. Produces two doves from same foulard. Places doves on chair back.
3. Egg Bag routine (comedy).
4. Egg dropped into bag. Bag turned upside down - little peep - chick falls out.
5. Twirling Wand, then puts dove on each end of wand and assistant takes them off stage, perched on wand.
6. Yards of paper ribbon taken from a farmer's straw hat. He carries this bushel of paper to the RIGHT WING, then moves again to stage center. Small (baby) pig emerges from the paper ribbons.
7. Van Camp feeds bottle of milk to pig.
8. Van Camp walks off stage, the pig running between Van's legs as each step is taken!"

(EDITOR'S NOTE: Louis McCord is now at Long Island Hospital, Boston 69, Massachusetts. He will appreciate your cards and letters. Magicians all over the world are indebted to him for many wonderful tricks and sleights, and cards and letters will do SO MUCH to cheer him, and keep him in contact with the only world there is for him - the world of MAGIC!)
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Ammar doesn't do the Vernon wand spin like Vernon did either. Watch some old Vernon footage...there is a difference in each magicians technique.
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Very few magicians can do the wand spin like Vernon did. You must have both arms broken and reset incorrectly to achieve that odd angle.
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Do you suggest having the arms broken and reset incorrectly in a hospital setting or should one go for the original method and fall from scaffoling?
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The scaffolding idea seems to work more consistently. You never know how a doctor will interpret your request.


DISCLAIMER: For all you folks in Rio Linda, and any children that may be reading this, I am kidding. Please do not fall off any scaffolding just to have your arms broken.
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Falling from scaffolding is pretty easy...it's finding a bucket of mercury to climb up there with that's the tricky part Smile
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For you card guys do keep in mind that Martin Nash broke all his fingers as a lumberjack....he's great with cards so something to think about.
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Maybe a dealer should pick up on that idea...I can see it now Smile

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