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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
I've been doing Close-Up magic for about a year now, and recently decided to delve into Stage. All I have so far is Peter Loughran's Black Hole and am awaiting a Zombie Ball.
What my style is in Stage magic and Illusions is dark, industrial, even cybernetic goth. I'm hoping that if you guys here at the Café know of anything that fits my style, that you would please let me know. Or point me in the direction of some great Stage magic dealers. All the best, --Ryan |
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Mark Wilden Veteran user San Francisco 375 Posts |
Just one question - is Criss Angel goth?
I say no; others say yes. Eagerly awaiting your reply, ///ark |
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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
I say no as well. When you look at older Criss Angel, he had the more "Goth" persona, but my vote is no. A lot of people assume I'm trying to copy Criss, but my style is much different from his.
All the best, --Ryan |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Ryan,
The good news is that the magic clubs in your area are good. You may even get some good deals on used props! My major advice to you about stage magic is to know what your audience is seeking and give it to them. When what they seek changes, change the show. Frankly, I don't see Goth as attracting a very good paying audience from ticket sales. Most of those shows that I have seen were sponsored to draw the audience for other reasons. What research have you done in this area and what do you know you know? Are you going to depend on ticket sales or are you playing to an admission-free audience? If it has to be sponsored, do you have a prospect who will pay you to draw and entertain their audience? As an old marketing professor, I feel safe in saying that we can achieve any level of ticket sales you desire. However, the costs of getting those sales may exceed the benefits. An advantage of Goth is that it is transitional and those in that stage of transition are constantly changing. Variety isn't really that necessary. The people in the audience change. It is dependent on replacing audiences leaving and not keeping the existing audiences. That is also a problem. Are the new "recruits" going to equal those exiting the transition? How soon will you know when Goth isn’t attracting sufficient new entries to support your effort? When it’s time to quit, are you prepared to move on to what’s next? Is there system in place to identify plan B or will there be extensive "down time"? It will be a challenge. Good Luck! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
Hmmm, you raise some very interesting points. I'll discuss them as followed:
My Industrial, Cyber-Goth style is not what I'm hoping will keep audiences. The routines and Illusions are my variety. The style is nothing more than the look, feel, and overall "aroma" of the show. If that makes sense. Sure I'd love to have routines that fit my style, but with modifications everything can work. Because quite frankly, what is a Goth trick? It's all about the magic for me. My style is who I am, and it's what I want my magic to be. Just need that head start to finding what attracts me. I'm not familiar with any clubs around me. The closest shop is 5 hours away. All the best, --Ryan |
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
You should find "the spooky, the mysterious....the bizzare forum in the special interest group here right up your alley. Most of that should fit your style very well. There is an audience for just about any style.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Dizzy Elite user UK 437 Posts |
Try posting in the stage and manipulation section as the other users there are great and should be able to help you with ideas.
Rather than looking for gothic and dark tricks, change the way in which your perform them. I'm hoping to perform tourch through arm and needle through body. Both effects can be performed in many different ways. Look at the presentation rather than the effect itself. Music, background, costume are just a few parts which play an important role in development of your stage character and act. Good luck, Diane |
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MagiCanada Regular user Vancouver 140 Posts |
I have to agree with Dizzy/Diane. HOW you perform and present a trick is what it's all about. The same piece of magic can easily be performed for a wide range of audiences with alterations to presentation.
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jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
Cris Angel is not Goth. He's much too "normal" for that. I would consider him to be "casual sloppy punk".
Jim |
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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
I love that. Casual sloppy punk.
All the best, --Ryan |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Jim has a point. He's just too kind to state it. "Casual sloppy punk" to a responsible adult means "without credibility". Credibility is critical for more mature audiences. It is a case of who you want in the audience.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
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On 2007-04-08 23:12, Bob Sanders wrote: Which is why the same audience that watches Criss on TV votes for American Idol. Wonder if Criss can sing because we have to do something to stop Sanjaya. |
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Rodney Palmer Inner circle 1317 Posts |
Criss Angel Casual Sloppy Punk with a 10-year 100-million dollar deal with the LUXOR hotel and Casino. He may be a Punk in your eyes but in my eyes he is a very rich Punk indeed.
Rodney
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Mark Wilden Veteran user San Francisco 375 Posts |
Yes, punks do not wear expensive jewelry.
Criss did sing on one of his shows. It was what I'd call heavy metal, which is the genre I associate with him - not punk or goth. He's always promoting Korn, which is "nu-metal." ///ark |
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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
As to Criss' music, I would generally state it as Nu-Metal with some Industrial influences.
All the best, --Ryan |
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Mark Wilden Veteran user San Francisco 375 Posts |
Actually, Criss occasionally refers to his look as goth in his upcoming "Secret Revelations" book.
///ark |
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Ryan:Ruple New user Mandeville, LA 39 Posts |
Hmmm, if he's talking about present-day Criss than he's mistaken. Older Criss had influences in his dress, but he was unique.
All the best, --Ryan |
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jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
I was only refering to Cris Angel's appearance (casual sloppy punk). He's obviously a very talented guy, and rich to boot. He's an accomplished magician and a good businessman. He just found what works for him, which is what all of us in this business aspire to do.
Jim |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
I wasn't critisizing what you said. I just want him to sing on Idol so Sanjaya can get voted of. Yes he is very talented.
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Utkarsh Sinha Regular user Goa, India 137 Posts |
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On 2007-04-09 01:12, abc wrote: You can't do anything
Want jaadu?!
"Reality is a mere illusion, although a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein http://liquidmetal.in |
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