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Doug Higley
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Thanks Rich...I found Armour All is the LAST thing you want for a dash board so I'd be hesitant on a cherished puppet. Mainly asking for my Daughter who has some rare and valuable Movie Props (latex) and is really worried about their survival.

Your keeping the 'old man' out of a hot car is good advice to be sure!
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Steve Petra
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I've been using Armor All on my Axtell puppets for years. Whatever effects it might have on a dashboard, I don't think they apply to latex puppets. I know that Steve Axtell recommends Armor All application every three months. That's how he retains his youthful appearance.
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I love doing ad-libs....makes me look smart Smile

In fact...I do scripted ad-libs Smile meaning, its basically a scripted line...but you deliver in a way that it sounds like an ad-lib.

But legit ad-libs are more exciting of course Smile
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Lou Hilario
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Another thing that frustrates me is that Axtell latex puppet don't last forever. If it did, I'd collect all of them. Just imagine a room full of Axtell puppets on display. That would be coooool!
I know that is possible if you have airconditioning 24 hours a day in that room. But we need to conserve energy to save our earth. I have a friend who owns expensive cars like Ferraris and his large garage is airconditioned 24 hours a day.
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Thanks Steve...I guess if Axtell recommends it. I know some very high dollar car collectors that certainly do not...but then that's not Latex involved.

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Ax,

Thank you for speaking to the stiffness of the vinyl apes.

I have your Chimp, and I've never understood why the mouth didn't work well until now.

I've been thinking about cutting the mouth open and using matching cloth tape or glued material to bind the pieces back together again.

Perhaps that would be a good fix in this particular case.
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Neale Bacon
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Probably my biggest frustration is when I am doing walkaround and kids keep trying to put their fingers in the puppets mouth or punch the puppet etc. Worse is when adults do or even worse is when parents encourage kids to do it.

I have yet to find a way to ask people not to do that wihtout sounding like a grouch or having people say things like "well your not a very happy guy".
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Neale,
Hook up a syringe bulb with a tube to the puppet's mouth and when somebody puts their finger in, have it gag and throw up on them. Smile
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The weird part is I have often tried having the puppet ask them not to do it but that seems to egg them on, even the adults.
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chris mcbrien
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Get a pin for your puppet's shirt that says "Please be fond, don't fondle"
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Ax,

But of course, a richer way to animate/control the arms Smile

DeMar uses a fishing line or something, but I bet you could improve on this idea immensily.

Perhaps something that could be retro-fitted to the back of soft/hard figures with minimal structural mods.

Perhaps a control wire/lever that goes into the inside, held on the out with buttons/rivets.

Consider the thousands of stiffed armed figures world-wide!
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With the current popularity of vent - there still aren't that many out there working. I did a resort the other night, when I checked out the next day, on the show board they had a magician/ventriloquist for that night. Two vents in two days, same guests?

What frustrated me was when the agent e-mailed a thanks. He told me I was so well received the guests told the second vent about one of my running gags with an audience member and the guy ended up incorporating the gag AND that guest into his show. That bothers me...
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Ouch! Yes I would be peeved too!
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Ony Carcamo
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Tom,
That would bother me, too.

That's what also frustrates me... those vents "stealing" acts and materials from other vents in the same area.

This is what I believe is decent: if you see a vent in your area doing a bit you felt you liked ... PLEASE AVOID using (or "stealing"?)that bit in your act! Think of other bits for yourself!

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Wanlu
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On 2008-07-09 19:42, Ony Carcamo wrote:
Tom,
That would bother me, too.

That's what also frustrates me... those vents "stealing" acts and materials from other vents in the same area.

This is what I believe is decent: if you see a vent in your area doing a bit you felt you liked ... PLEASE AVOID using (or "stealing"?)that bit in your act! Think of other bits for yourself!

Ony


I agree Smile

That's why I make my own routines and spiels...problem is thieves would always be thieves and they make a living stealing from other people due to their lack of creativity. Their talent is to steal materials and disguise them as their own...

What's even more terrible is when people see them first before they see your act, some would even think you copied that bit from the thief. Smile

However, I also noticed that are generally used bits n pieces...I have DVD's of DeMar, Pendleton, Winchell, Boley, Strassman, Wade and Carr and without a doubt there are generally used lines and nobody can have monopoly or exclusivity on those lines... it might be a bit silly to claim ownership of lines generally used in the vent community and expect others not to use them.

My two cents worth.

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I realize this vent didn't see my act, that he simply pulled the material in based on his conversation with audience members and management before the show. He was probably just as shocked they booked us back to back. (At least I went first and didn't have to worry about being compared.)

The question is, will the guy now start using this gag in his regular show? He has no idea of the original set up - so I'm hoping he won't.

I admit I use stock lines around original material to fill out my routines. Using a stock line isn't great, but they are stock for a reason - if told properly they will create a great laugh. When I've seen something I wanted to play with and change around to suit my act, I've gotten permission from the source I was inspired by.

Outright stealing of a routine is wrong, and when they are working the same area as Ony mentioned, it simply lowers everyone's value.
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Wanlu
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On 2008-07-09 22:47, tacrowl wrote:


...I admit I use stock lines around original material to fill out my routines. Using a stock line isn't great, but they are stock for a reason - if told properly they will create a great laugh. When I've seen something I wanted to play with and change around to suit my act, I've gotten permission from the source I was inspired by.

Outright stealing of a routine is wrong, and when they are working the same area as Ony mentioned, it simply lowers everyone's value.


I think asking permission is very decent and very profesional Smile and granting permision is even more decent and profesional, not to mention very generous.
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chris mcbrien
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On 2008-07-09 22:47, tacrowl wrote:
I realize this vent didn't see my act, that he simply pulled the material in based on his conversation with audience members and management before the show. He was probably just as shocked they booked us back to back. (At least I went first and didn't have to worry about being compared.)

The question is, will the guy now start using this gag in his regular show? He has no idea of the original set up - so I'm hoping he won't.

I admit I use stock lines around original material to fill out my routines. Using a stock line isn't great, but they are stock for a reason - if told properly they will create a great laugh. When I've seen something I wanted to play with and change around to suit my act, I've gotten permission from the source I was inspired by.

Outright stealing of a routine is wrong, and when they are working the same area as Ony mentioned, it simply lowers everyone's value.


I guess no one liked my "fondle" pin idea...you're all conservative ninnies, each and every one of 'ya.
With that off my insanely manly-man chest, I think what that guy did ripping you off was about as bad as it gets. I would feel so very LOW if I did something like that. I mean, holy crap, you don't have something that good already in your act?
Well, you don't have to take it as a compliment, but you could call the *** and have a "little chat". I would! Why not? I'm thinking he asked for it!
My two cents.
PS. Being an entertainer doesn't come with the stipulation "must be a door mat"
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I hope what I said above was taken as "tongue in cheek".
Anyway, my biggest vent-peave right now is what I just found out about Jay's show in the UK. It's not Jay's fault, it's his promoters, producers and ultimately anyone in charge of pushing his show. If the marketing is poor, the general masses won't show up.
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