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Salby, if you already know Osterlind's BCS, he has an add-on system for memorizing all the cards. It's called The Memorized Breakthrough.
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This book is loaded with superb routines, and concerning a mem deck ZEN Master is outstanding good.
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Hiya Todsky--

I am aware of Osterlind's BCS as I have MIND MYSTERIES Volume 2. Where can I find his MEMORIZED BREAKTHROUGH CARD SYSTEM??
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What Carlos said...
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I'm not a memory deck worker and I find loads of fantastic routines in Scams and Phantasies. It really isn't neccessary in order to enjoy the majorty of the fantastic routines in this seminal book.

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Paul, this is true what you say. Nevertheless if you do memorized deck work ZEN Master is a routine you would like adding to your repertoire. Jan
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RIght non memorized deck effects - best ones from S&F are: (can't quite remember the names)
Appointment in Samara - great effect, great great presentation
Fusion effect
Devil (Tarot card Presentation) effect.
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Not wanting to hijack this, but is that book now OOP?
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On 2007-05-05 10:56, Salby wrote:
One thing I was disappointed in though with this book is that MANY of the effects require you to have a full stacked memory deck.

I just discovered this thread and would like to correct this mischaracterization. Scams & Fantasies contains thirty effects. Four of those effects require a memorized stack. I don’t see how this can possibly be described as “MANY.”

Scams & Fantasies is indeed out of print. I have a handful of copies available. PM me if interested.

Sincerely,
Darwin Ortiz
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Hello Darwin,

In the four of those effects in the book, you use your own mem deck.
Does your MD have any built-in features?
Thanks.


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This book is fantastic (which of his books isn’t?), hell every effect in the book is worthy of being a favorite. I laughed so hard at his comment concerning most Cannibal Card routines having a digestive system beyond his comprehension that I almost spit my drink all over the pages the pages. No question Ortiz is one magic's greatest, period.
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Sorry Darwin-- But I didn't really count the number of effects in this book of yours dealing with Memorized Stacked Decks before starting this thread.... I guess I was simply frustrated that some of the most powerful effects that I was looking into prior to me buying this book dealt with memorized decks and "seemed" like many.....

....Needless-to-say, I'm making lemonade with the "lemons" handed to me.... In other words, I am now in the process of learning Aronson's Memorized Stacked Deck to utilize and accomplish these 4 effects.... Your book has motivated me to enter a new realm of card magic and be able to perform 4 of the more powerful effects in your book.

I thank-you for indirectly pushing me into a doorway of card magic that I didn't think I would ever be interested in.... I always would just flip past the effects in any book that read "...and a memorized stacked deck is involved." Now I wish I can go back and find where those effects are that I passed up these past 2 decades Smile

Jay Elf-- As far as a Memorized Stacked Deck taught in his book.... He does NOT teach his or anyone else's Memorized Stacked Decks in this book. He assumes you already know one of many Memorized Stacked Decks out there and then you will be able to utilize it into his 4 specified effects in the book.


The 3 most popular Memorized Stacked Decks that do NOT appear as though there is any pattern of the cards in the stack are:

1. Simon Aronson's Memorized Stacked Deck
2. Juan Tamarez's (Mneumonica) Stacked Deck
3. Richard Osterlind's (Breakthrough Card System) Stacked Deck


Each has its own pros and cons and if anyone can ellaborate on these differences, that would be most appreciative. I assume the differences are how each different stacked deck is better utilized in certain effects due to each of their own "patterns". I am not too sure. I cannot find a specific thread on the benefits of each of the 3 and then just comparing each of them to each other. That would be very helpful to someone who doesn't know which 1 to memorize. But any of these 3 Memorized Stacked Decks can be used in the 4 effects of Darwin's book.
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Richard Osterlind's (Breakthrough Card System) Stacked Deck is a cyclic stack and NOT a memorized deck stack.
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Hello Kjellstrom.

Recently, Mr. Osterlind made "Memorized" Breakthrough Card System using peg system.
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Yes-- You can memorize ANY deck using Harry Lorayne's Memory Techniques....

Think of how powerful Osterlind's BCS would be. Besides the same idea of just memorizing the deck like Aronson's and Tamarez's Stacked Decks..... But you also have the powerful system that Osterlind has cleverly instituted with how you will ALWAYS know the next card....

I know it wouldn't mean much because the whole deck would be memorized anyway, but I bet there is some other application that he or someone else would consider.....

It's just an added bonus that the other 2 noted stacked decks don't have.
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"But you also have the powerful system that Osterlind has cleverly instituted with how you will ALWAYS know the next card...."

A memorized stack is very powerful: you know exactly every single cards position, instantly.
Even if the deck is cut you know any named cards position, that is very powerful.

When you use a cyclic stack you only know the next cards position.

I started w. Si Stebbins cyclic Stack early 80s and I used it a lot.
In the 90s I started using a "true" memorized stack and that extremely useful for card magicians and mentalists.

Check out the effect Last Laugh from Scams and Fantasies with Cards and you will see how EXTREMELY powerful a memo stack are.

A great memorized stack is Martin Joyals memorized stack: JOYAL STACK. Easy to memorize.
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Yep,Last laugh and Zen Master are two of my favorite md effects.
Very direct and impossible.
I also use a stebins stack,using Darwin's si stebbin's secret to go from new deck order so I can do some mentalism or cut to any four of a kind named from a "shuffled deck"(which is not possible with a MD),after a couple more routines that retain the stack,such as Triumph.
If I have a new deck,i will start with the Stebin's secret to go into a stack and ring in a MD to close my set after a couple of routines were the spectator has shuffled the cards.
The memorized deck is a work horse for me, but until I learned the Si Stebins Secret,i hardly ever used a stebins stack.
Now Stebbins is also a wonderful tool that I can use everytime I open a new deck for paid shows,or a special group.
I have everything Darwin has ever put out minus Card Shark book(i have the video's)cause I can't find or afford it and can say everything he does has more thought than just about anything you can find.
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While we are on the subject Cardman, Andrew Wimhurst in his 'Down Under Deals' has a fantastic take on 'The Ultimate CardShark' from Darwin Ortiz At the Card Table. It involves getting into the routine from a brand new sealed deal and showcases some excellent false deals as well as the main gambling effect. Its one of the strongest and most incredible closers I know of.

Regards,

Paul H
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