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Kyle^Ravin
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Hey guys,
I was just wondering what presentation ideas y'all may have on a Sword Box presentation? It's the same as a Sword Basket...but as a box. I think it's called a "Modern Sword Basket". My version has one where fire erupts from within the box... How would you present it?
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Well, there's usually two ways to preform it, either comical or serious. So, base how you do it to flow with your show theme.
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One of my favorite topics! (I'm strange that way...)

Your story is going to matter - it can really fall flat unless you understand where the suspense is, and why the audience should stay in suspense as opposed to trying to "solve" the illusion. Pacing and context are key.

There was a great long thread about this...I'm going to go see if I can find it within the 30 minute editing period.

Meanwhile, who is in the box? You or an assistant? If it's you, you're going to defy death/survive the unsurvivable. If it's the assistant, you're going to do something slightly different...

Edited to add...

short thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......;forum=7
longer thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......;forum=7
Kyle^Ravin
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It's my assistant going in. You can see snippets of it at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQOHuzGTdY

I'm only 18, so I did not have many illusions when the footage in the vid was filmed. Things are different now... It's my promo vid of shots from live shows, my Star Awards event (like the Grammys), and from my TV Street Magic special MAYA.
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Ravin,

I think that one is Modern Sword Basket.
Very good effect.

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Who sells the Modern Sword Basket? I've been wanting to get one for quite some time, but I've never found anyone who sells them.
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Fire in the box may not play at many/some locations, so be forewarned. I've seen "budding" illusionist escorted out because of using fire against the fire department rules. Know the rules about fire magic before learning the riles afterwards.

This does not mean flash paper.
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Hi !

I sell the MODERN SWORD BASKET in my brand new magic store. If you are interested, it can be build specially for you with a very interesting price.
Contact me by PM. I have a photo, and the color of the box is built to your choice. Swords and cloth included. I'm in France.

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Price is interesting 1400 euros + Shipping, 1890 dollars + shipping worldwide. For photos, delivery, etc...contact me by PM.
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Up: This is the deluxe version. 2 versions available. You can contact me by PM.

Yes, this is cool effect.
Kyle Ravin: You have an excellent promo clip! Bravo! Do you often work outdoors? Is it hard, as you can't use special lighting?

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Shouldn't the smaller side of the sword basket be the front profile instead of the wider side?

IMHO, that makes the illusion look much more impossible.

Then again, what do I know? I've only done that illusion about a hundred times. Smile
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Yes, it is better. But the table makes the box smaller, and even surrounded it is awesome for the audience.

But on stage, yes, it is better to show the smaller side of the sword basket.
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I posted this a while back as an answer to someone else asking about how to be creative in routining their magic. I thought it really applied very well to the question you are asking here, so I wanted to post it in hopes that it is of some help to you. My pleasure.

My best advice to you is to look AWAY from magic sources for your routine ideas. I know this sounds odd, but I find you become much more creative if you teach yourself to turn away from magic tapes and DVDs for your routine and act ideas. Look outward and not inward for creativity in the manipulative arts.

When we start to work on a magic routine or act, we tend to start thinking in an “inward” fashion. What usually happens is that you find yourself looking at props and apparatus with the intention of somehow combining these in some way to create an interesting piece of magic. This happens a lot, and I must admit I have done this too in the past. To me, this is inward thinking. You are forcing yourself to start at a particular place by narrowing your creative options.

But what I learned was that this only tends to hinder our creative thinking instead of allowing us to think fresh. If I start with certain props and apparatus, or going to my DVDs or videos first, am I not already limiting my creativity by forcing it down a certain path? I would say, yes, it does. If I truly want to be creative with my magic, I should learn to expand my thoughts and ideas and not allow the apparatus, props, or videos to dictate what I am going to present to my audience. But how many of us go about creating magic in this fashion? If you are honest with yourself, probably a lot of you reading this article will admit that you tend to create in this exact manner.

But if we are not to inwardly think, then what is a different approach we can take? This is where the term “outward thinking’ came to me. I think to start thinking creatively with your magic, you need to not limit yourself or your ideas. Too many of us fall in the realm of looking inwards towards magic for our ideas and creative concepts, instead of looking outwards away from magic. When you are constantly looking inward at magic for ideas, then it already starts limiting your imagination. Instead of being and allowing yourself to be truly creative, you are forcing yourself to recreate what has already been done before. In a sense, inward thinking leads to magic clones.

So, what about outward thinking? How can we take this approach and apply it to magic and to the new way we can think about the magic we create? Well, for starters, when you are working on a new routine or act, withstand the urge to go immediately to your magic books and magic videos. Get away from your props and apparatus in your magic den. Get away from it all, and allow yourself to think.

Instead of taking a prop and wondering what to do with it, go the opposite direction. Allow yourself to first come up with the entertainment idea first, and build the routine or act around that. What I mean is, creative thinking should not be limited by what props you own, or what videos you have, or any of that. True creativity has no boundaries. Imagine how creative your magic can be if you stop limiting yourself from the start.

If a magician is all about entertaining his or her audience, then let us start being creative by first teaching ourselves to think of the creative and entertainment idea first. Ask yourself, what would you like to see on that stage? What would be entertaining to an audience? Is there a character on stage doing something? If so, who is this character and what would he do? If you start to ask yourself these questions, then you start thinking in an outward motion. You are coming at your magic from a totally different angle. You will find yourself starting with the entertainment value of the routine, and then building the rest of the routine around that. To me, this is a much more creative way of thinking about magic. It allows you to open your mind up and know that what you work on from that point on has to reflect back on the initial entertainment idea.

I think starting with the entertainment concept of the act is a much better way to be creative than forcing yourself to figure out what to do with these 4 props you have in your drawer. You start opening your mind up and start creating interesting ideas.

A perfect example of this type of thinking is from a show I saw Topas do at the SAM National Convention a few years ago. I got a chance to talk with him briefly after his lecture, and he really opened my eyes. Here is a magician whose entire show is made up of routines that are so different and so creative that they appear fresh and fascinating. His thinking does not derive from an inward motion. It derives from looking away from magic for ideas.

If you have ever seen his “Time in a Bottle” routine, you will know what I am talking about. Now I can not be 100% sure on this, but I can almost guarantee that the idea and creativity for the routine did not come from magic itself. Instead, it came from an outward source. That source was simply a song he had heard. By hearing the song, this creative and entertainment idea comes into his head. In a way, the song creates the entertainment and dictates what can be done with it. But now you have a creative idea that comes from an outward source, and to me, that is a much more powerful way to think about your magic. It makes it fresh and new and inspires us to think in different ways we may not have been ready to think before.

So, I will leave you with these few thoughts. Next time you start working on a new routine or a new act, put away the magic books and lock the videos away in a drawer. Force yourself not to go to them. Instead, put on music, take a walk in nature, or watch a good movie. This is the essence of what I refer to as outward thinking. Allow outside sources to inspire you and your magic. I think if you do, you will be shocked at what creative ideas will come from it.

My 2 cents worth.

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