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Not to beat up on Gregg Chamara's language skills, (lol )but, there is a huge difference in saying, "All Bizarre is not dark" , and what I think he meant, which is, "Not all Bizarre is dark".
The former essentially says that no bizarre is dark, because it clearly states that ALL bizarre is NOT dark; therefore it must all be light or neutral.
It's just like saying "ALL cats have babies called kittens" or "All cats do not have babies called puppies", (both true) because both statements are absolute, they are talking about ALL cats; All cat's babie's are called kittens, none are called puppies; The earlier statement was about ALL bizarre magic.

It may seem like a simple grammatical nitpick, akin to pointing out a silly spelling error (which I don't do !) but this is one language gaff that isn't minor; it substantially alters the meaning of the intended message.

It's okay though Gregg, I understand what it's like when you hang from the ceiling, and all that blood rushes to your head and makes it feel like it's going to explode.
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Docsteve, what is it about Blackballing that is "tosh"
I'd be interesting in hearing. The term "Blackballing" is more than a concept, it is an everyday, or at least an every month reality in my Lodge.
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Mystician -

No offense taken -- as a writer I am used to editors -- and I have always subscribed to the Mark Twain addage to use English as she is spoken.......

Now Spelling -- I go to George Bernard Shaw's fish as my source -- Ghoti......LOL
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In my story I tell the audience that the term 'Blackballed' comes from the H'assassins selection for a killer on a particular job; the patter runs like this: "The cell-like structure of the ancient Hassissin was remarkably similar to modern day Al-Quaeda, with 5 Hassinin's meeting to select pebbles from a goat-skin sack. The drawer of the black pebble was the one to be the killer. In that way even his comrades would never know for sure who was to carry out the killing, thus ensuring security & secrecy within the cell itself. It was from this chilling ritual the term 'blackballing' - you know, 'to blackball' someone - came about."

In actual fact, the use of a black or white ball/stone to signify 'yay or nay' in a vote has been around for literally thousands of years, but only as just that - a yes or no vote. It's never been used to select a killer from a cell of 5, as far as I know, but I needed a neat & credible sounding tale for the modus operandi of the gaucci effect! It's my usage in this particular tale that's tosh!

As for the Hassissins, the parallels between them & modern day fanatics are genuinely chilling, and I believe that this does help make an old story resonate deeper with today's audience.

As a further tuppenceworth, now that I'm babbling, another good device for testing the zeitgeist is to look at 1) who the 'baddies' are in hollywood blockbusters (at present mainly arabs & aliens!) and 2) what are the horror films about.
Interested readers are advised to read Stephen King's analytical ( and hugely enjoyable) work Danse Macarbre (Jaws is a metaphor for a parent's fear of childhood disease and/or abduction - discuss).
For a terrufying yet intelligent discussion on organised ALL religious fanatiscism (East & West) I suggest Sam Harris's "The End of Faith".

Phew. Don't I sound preachy. I'll just slide offa this high-horse of mine, and have a nice camomile tea...

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Okay, so how did "low-balling" come about ?

egregor, careful now - you don't wanna get banned ! Smile
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Jeez, Myst! I thought I was pedantic! Smile

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Thanks guys for the advice, much appreciaited.
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In my world, low-balling means, The angle of the dangle is directly proportional to the seam of the crotch. Hahahahaha
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Watch your language, Egregore. The next thing you know, you'll be dangling your participle!

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/low-balling

So what's teabagging then?
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On 2007-05-18 18:31, Bill Ligon wrote:
Jeez, Myst! I thought I was pedantic! Smile

Bill


You are - Smile
You pointed out a tiny typo - I pointed out a significant grammatical error that essentially changes the actual intended meaning of the sentence.

And for Mr. Mark Twain's edification, I say: just because some people speak that way doesn't make it right either; they're speaking very poorly ! No wonder communication is a lost art these days. The more that people butcher the language, the worse it gets.

I give up on English, for the most part though; being the mutt language that it is, with far more exceptions to the rules than rules themselves, it's time for a brand new, logical language, born of common sense - and no, Esperanto doesn't cut it either, it's too based on Latin/romance languages.
It's time for something completely new, built from scratch. Anybody got a free weekend to kill ? Smile

okay, I'm done going off topic now ..
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Klingon.
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Believe it or not, that occurred to me, but I also realized that I don't know anything about klingon, or it's derivation.

I don't think I'd really want to speak a language that sounds like a catfight though - I mean, German is bad enough !
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I think youre stuck in the 60's and 70's when you charge bizzare magick thus, with authors like andruzzi, cameron etc. But do you not perform the magick you write?


Indeed I do, and I pride myself that all the items in the Black Artefacts store are thus.

However, as a person who does perform this genre for real people (not the mythical 'group of friends gathered at the mages home' one so often reads about) who pay for the privilege I can spot an 'unperformable' effect from a mile off. Believe me there are many such effects and presentations still appearing in internet forums and print. I think that most of the stuff I see published is not commercial.

There is nothing wrong in producing such ideas of fancy, it is indeed as legitimate a hobby as any other - however, those new to this genre and who are seeking real life working effects need to be aware of this.

In the end we need to remember that we are in an 'entertainment' industry.

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On 2007-05-19 08:18, Black Hart wrote:


In the end we need to remember that we are in an 'entertainment' industry.

Keith Hart


in-deed.

as for myself, I admit that although I perform every single effect I offer here, or in books, when it comes to gigs, I oft' tone it down, as my venues are schools, detention centers and such. In short, I do my bizarre work, but sometimes forced to leave the skull and blood at home for a more intimate time.

also, Bizarre magic on stage just doesn't work for me. what ive seen just doesn't give that needed intimate ambience I feel is necessary for a true bizarre effect. just my opine.

thanx, peace

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This is exactly why I really only do magic on Halloween - I already have a reason to invite my friends and neighbors to my home for an intimate setting, plus there's the whole Celtic/Druidic "The veil between the living the dead is thinnest at this time" thing that I can play on.
It takes the "tee-hee, this is just a halloween stunt" mindset and hopefully, (if I'm successful) changes it to something of a history education, and then forces more open acceptance of the possibility of things that go bump in the night. I don't charge for my parties, nor will I, when I expand them to doing full tarot and palm readings and more intense magic effects, seances, etc.
I have no intention of ever going pro or commercial, and I like that, because it enables me to be as true to the original spirit of bizarre as possible.
Like I've always said, I'm just a Halloween freak - one who discovered a genre of magic that fits him like a glove.

Naturally, the whole plastic bats thing, crass commercialism, and all that jazz, tends to work against me too, but by sticking to the historical basis for Halloween and giving everyone a little education, it can be overcome for most.
It's not that difficult, depending on the person, to swing the pendulum from "oh, it's a silly holiday" to "oh crap, is this for real ..?"; some people seem to be on the fence the whole time anyway, laughing nervously at first, and then getting geniunely spooked a moment later. Even with my limited past experience, I've seen that already.
It helps that everyone who knows me knows me as "a little weird" anyway.
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Very interesting take on performing, Myst. I especially like the comment on staying true to the original spirit of bizarre. I love Hallowe'en, too, in spite of the commercialism and the plastic bats.

What I am trying to say is that your post was an interesting one (considering it came from a pedant Smile ).
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I think this is probably the most fascinating debate I've ever had on magic, bar none.
Isn't the 'definition' of Bizarre magic one where the effect is apparently acheived by a force external to the performer (usually therefore supernatural, but as Myst says, not ALWAYS dark)?
However, I think most of us writing here are arguing for, and believe in, something more intelligent and emotional than the stereotypical bizarre act of cobwebs, skulls and the like (although they definately have their place). Surely that can be true to the spirit, AND commercial? Sure it'll never be 'big box office', but then I'd rather be 'Cult' than 'Mainstream'.
And why oh why oh why would anyone with powers CHOOSE to produce red sponge balls??? If it's not good enough for Sai Baba...
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"...why would anyone with powers CHOOSE to produce red sponge balls???"

Probably because the Black ones are harder to find, thus cost more.
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There you go with your racism again.....black balls rule! sponge balls, that is.......

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