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Raymagic11
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Ok. I don`t know whether I post it on the right place, but I`ll post it here. I`ve reached the point in magic that I have to choose between what I like, and what I dislike. My skills have improved, and I`m now able to go for the higher skilled tricks, that actually require quite a lot of practise (e.g. Ammar`s Cups and Balls routine with Dai Vernon wand spin, Linking ring routine, etc.) The problem is, that I can't go on practising one day a card trick, the other day a coin trick, etc. I have to find some kind of specialisation to continue practising this for a while. My doubt is, whether this will be in the close-up field, or on the small stage field (with fruit, bottles, cups and balls, rings, etc). I personally think they are both as charming. My question to you is, where to start? By starting I mean, seriously devoting time or studying some sleights or tricks in the close-up/ stage field. Does anyone know good books about stage magic, that seriously goes into it (so not only a small section), or some good tricks or essential props to buy that every stage magician should have? (Like a close up magician should have at least a Bobo`s and a royal road to card magic at home, with a thumb tip, coin shell, and some gaff cards)

Hope you can help me out:)

Ray
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Keep learning all you can until you find a performance venue, then you specialise in a field. Even then there's so much cross over that the more you know the better. For now, just do what you enjoy.
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The Fitzski Triology..Cordially,Howard
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I agree with Paul on this. I think what we need to remember here is that in order to be creative with your magic, you need to be "armed" with the proper knowledge or tools of the trade. a person can not build a home unless that person knows how to use a saw, hammer, read blue prints etc. The magician can and should relate to this in the same fashion. let me explain further.

The tools that we use to build any act or routine from come from the moves and sequences and effects we learn. In the manipulative arts, this means studying card slieghts and card manipulation moves. It means studying billiad ball moves. These are fundamental moves that in of themselves really do not make for anything all that exciting. but when combined in creative ways, develop acts that and creative, fresh and memorable.

The moves of the manipulative arts are then the tools of our trade from which we build creative stage acts. We can not begin to start creating anything for the stage, without having the "foundation" set in place. This foundation comes from knowing that we have the tools to create what we want to create.

So my advice to you would be to learn the tools and the moves of magic and stage craft. Take the time not to worry so much on presentation or routining. That will come later. Take the books and dvds and learn the tools you will need to be creative. get them down and add them to your tool box. Then you will realize you can go to these tools when it is time to create an act.

Hope this helps.

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Raymagic11
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Thanx a lot.
What books or Dvd`s would you suggest for this kind of magic?
"A magician has the skill to conceal the skill"
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Focus on getting the foundation of magic right - things like the 'magic classics'. Be well rooted in them. Then focus on the deeper understanding of the theorectical applications of magic. Then work on your presentation and showmanship.

And the real acid test would be getting yourself on some performance opportunity and test the act. Then work on them again and again until you reach the plateau you are suppose to reach.
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Hey,

I'm gonna say exactly what Denny said to me, buy all 8 Tarbell volumes. It has so much information you can literally make a show from just those 8 books, they are absolutely great.

Sam
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Amen to Tarbell. Great series. Those and "Magic and Showmanship" by Nelms.

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Taymagic11 -- being in Holland is the club that the late Richard Ross had still open (I would think so)... also you should locate some other magicians (there are a number of GREAT ones in Holland) and join a club to get some experience working without any pressure.
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