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I don't work in English, so I never tried the Naked Booktest. I've seen a similar concept in Kenton Knepper's Mindreading manuscript, and I find the approach fascinating.

The best part of this book, for me, was the analysis of psychological forces and why they work the way they do. It makes it easier to design forces of my own, or tweak presentations of effects like Between the Lines.

With the kind of information Jon lays out, you can do revelations similar to Banachek's Brain Game, where you not only reveal a thought, but the entire thought proces behind it.

It's not an effect in itself, but that's strong and worthwhile stuff for me. Your mileage may vary.
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On 2007-06-26 09:14, Slim King wrote:
I've read the book twice. I also used the booktest on itself.... I suggest you do the same.
YOU are the one who said that they pick a FOUR letter word. By questioning you I was pointing out that the book says you can pick larger or smaller words


Ok, whatever that means. By questioning ME you were pointing out the book says you can pick larger words.

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( Although I don't think that "Seeing" a three letter word is that amazing)....Some of the words in the book are also catagorized such as Entertainment . Entertainment expressions have changed in 35 years....These are the weak area's. At least one of them.


Dave, you are talking about two different effects. The words in the beginning are not the naked booktest. The naked booktest only has words beginnning with ....
You are confusing the data at the beginning of the book with the naked booktest.

[quote]You can purchase T.A. Waters book Mind Myth and Magic for about the same price. I did not feel Naked Mentalism to be of the same value. I have a limited budget and $59.00 is a bit of cash to lay out for me.
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If you feel it's not for you that's fine, but for you to compare it to what you do on the Café and say it's not good is ridiculous.


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Some very big claims were made for this book. I didn't find them substanciated (sp).
I would have said very little about it if you hadn't started Slagging me over this.


That would be slagging with a capital "S" right? It's certainly better for you to write why you don't like a book than to just say it's bad and that's all.

I really like it. I plan on putting in the memory work needed and start using it.
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I'm getting this book. Sounds right up my street.
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I've never said "It's not good"...You are simply putting words in my mouth. The premice is great.....but to me, the information is dated or very based in English english.
I just asked for it to be performed in the real world. just a request. I never compared it to anything I've done until you brought it up. And you said I was jelous....yea right. Why all the name calling and BS when I simply just said the book was not for me and I'd like to hear from someone who has experienced the effect.
You've been slaging me, calling me jelous and a bunch of crap.
Is this all because I questioned your attempted sale of Tea with Jack and Alice?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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On 2007-06-26 14:04, Slim King wrote:
I've never said "It's not good"...You are simply putting words in my mouth. The premice is great.....but to me, the information is dated or very based in English english.
I just asked for it to be performed in the real world. just a request. I never compared it to anything I've done until you brought it up. And you said I was jelous....yea right. Why all the name calling and BS when I simply just said the book was not for me and I'd like to hear from someone who has experienced the effect.
You've been slaging me, calling me jelous and a bunch of crap.
Is this all because I questioned your attempted sale of Tea with Jack and Alice?


LOL, it's always about YOU Dave, right?
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Hmmm....There seems to be quite a bit a discussion about this book. I really don't want to get involved in all that. But what I want to share is that I've just got the book. Read through it in one day and was disappointed. I was really looking forward to this little gem. Even put off filming my Promo DVD just so I could learn a routine or something from this book to perform on it...But I won't be performing anything from it. Yes! it does have some good advice about Psychological Forces but not much more then what Banachek teaches.

The Naked Book Test is Okay -- but not for me. It seems to have weaknesses. I almost get the feeling that if this was performed for some people that they may not know how it's done -- but they will get the idea behind how it's done. You you know what I mean?

In short I was really hoping for something more. Especially for the price! Luke Jermay has a DVD coming out on Psychological Forces w/ a 100% out that I am really looking forward to. AND it'd be cheaper then this book! I'm sorry Jon this just wasn't all that.
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Wait a minute.... you were going to try out a new routine for your promo video?
Do your best stuff, get reaction shots from the audience. Geez.
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For what it's worth, I've tried the NBT 6 times now, and hit on four of them.

But are these results statisticatlly significant? Hmmm...

God I wish I was good at statistics sometimes.

I think it would be handy for anyone interested in the efficacy of this effect for the rest of us to record our hit and miss frequencies and then publish them here (rather than rely on just our memories).

Wouldn't it be great if we could develop a mass of data on this to number crunch?

I'm interested to find out about how effective others find this, but only in precise terms - i.e. numbers.

I'll update when I've tried it a few more times.

Trouble is, I'm doing it by instant messaging and phone before I decide whether to go to the effort of getting this thing presentable of doing face to face - which would in turn allow me to try it more often, and increase the validity/reliability of my statistics.

Oh, the joy of statistics.

Yes, there are weaknesses with this effect, but with a bit of thought and/or skill (and I lack skill) you can plan ahead to compensate for them, if you dig what I'm sayin'.

Over and out.
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It's good to see someone actually USING the material before offering a comment. Sheesh. 4 out of 6 times is about what I'm getting as well. Also, when I'm off, it's usually not by much.

I still find the material exceptional, but then again, I'm out there USING it. It's hard to tell how something will play after just a reading.

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The key to the book test is to pick 30-year old English novels. Smile
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In accordance with TT2, and to repeat my previous post, lets please have some statistics from you people USING the NBT, on how often you hit and miss.

And lets keep our scripting tight, in order to increase our hit frequencies - It makes a difference. The misses I had were because of bad scripting.
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For sooths sake don't use a book by Shakespeare.
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On 2007-06-27 14:22, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
The key to the book test is to pick 30-year old English novels. Smile


YESSS!!!! Finally, an excuse to do a book test with the Hitchhiker's Guide!
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You could do the test with Jon's book, but don't limit it to the right-hand pages. It won't work well, if you limit it to the left pages, you are almost guaranteed success.

HHGTTG might be the perfect book.
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Hello one and all.

Can I just point out that the model underpinning the Naked Book Test is based on a recent analysis of the British National Corpus containing 100 million words of written English, not 30-year-old research. The study upon which I based section 1, psychological forces, is that old, but is still valid. The responses people give haven’t changed in 30 years because we’re still talking about and imagining the same concepts we were 30 years ago regardless of what else has happened. I think it's more a case that we've expanded on our experiences, rather than replaced them.

I look forward to you guys posting your experiences of using my material, even if it does make me rather nervous. All I ask is that you don't do it cynically to try to disprove it, or try to leap into it without proper study, or it will detract from you as a performer... So, bring your psychological skills to bear, think about how to minimize your misses and maximize your hits, have fun, and enjoy yourselves.

Cheers,

Jon.
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Can someone tellme more abozt the exact content of the book?

Thanks

Markus
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On 2007-07-01 12:42, Mentalism wrote:
Can someone tellme more abozt the exact content of the book?

Thanks

Markus

Hi Markus,

Sorry about the delay in replying.

The book splits into four distinct sections. First is a full exploration of the hows and whys of psychological forces. It shows how and where to find them and how to judge their reliability, as well as giving a wide range of example data. It then gives an extensive list of applications for them and also supplies all-important advice and methods of handling misses and pain-in-the-ass spectators. Section two is the infamous Naked Book Test (nuff said). Section three is an advance on Brown's Perfect Coin Prediction that takes in any UK gold or silver coin. It's a short section, but I thought it was important to include even though it's UK specific because it gives the full story of its development, thereby showing how to find new Naked methods yourself. The final section gives some miscellaneous bits and bobs. There's also a glossary giving he full statistical model for the book test, and a large amount of data for the psychological force section, sorted in useful ways to help you develop your own more easily.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,

Jon.
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Hmmm... Naturally you cannot please all, Jon.

But I suspect that people discounting most of your book really don't get what little gem they have in their hands. Maybe in a few years they will re-read it and they will know it's da bomb!

That and the sections on the statistical subtleties appear to me greatly researched and very helpful.

Also, when in a book one finds GOOD food for thoughts, to me, that book has repaid itself in its value many, many times.
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On 2007-07-14 18:23, Lord Of The Horses wrote:
Hmmm... Naturally you cannot please all, Jon.

But I suspect that people discounting most of your book really don't get what little gem they have in their hands. Maybe in a few years they will re-read it and they will know it's da bomb!

That and the sections on the statistical subtleties appear to me greatly researched and very helpful.

Also, when in a book one finds GOOD food for thoughts, to me, that book has repaid itself in its value many, many times.


Thanks for the kind words.

I'm still interested if anyone wants to post their results of using the Naked Book Test. Something that occurs to me is making it available as an affordable, standalone download in its own right. Would people be interested in that?
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John, I definately would - pm me when this is available.
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